Off Topic Political Debate

Point two ... unless there is a significant change in current demographic trends , both Britain and Europe will become Islamic states within 25-50 years . As a proud Englishman ( a rare creature in today's England ) does this truly bother me ?... not really , I don't drink , have always thought women look better covered up and as a by- product it would really cheese off tory voters .

Don't worry about tory voters, we have enough money to find a non islamic countries to live in.

You will get used to sharia law after a while. Just think yours roads will be easier if women are banned from driving!!.

 

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So, apparently the Moslems are taking over Europe - apparently they will soon be a majority. The numbers of Moslems in respective European countries is as follows:
UK. 4.6%
Sweden 4.9%
Netherlands 5.5%
Belgium 6.0%
Germany 5%
France 7.5%
Switzerland 5.7%

On average around one in twenty in those countries, yet apparently they are about to take us all over. According to Mori polls the British overestimate the size of the Islamic population in the UK. by a factor of 4. Why is this ? Is it because of all the right wing propaganda, or because this population is often concentrated on certain towns such as Luton. I can actually understand Luton having a large immigrant population because it must be easy to learn the language there - Lutonian English consisting of shortened phrases such as ''Faaackinell`` and ''Watchoo looking at mate'', all very easy to learn quickly.

 

I just thought of a few more positives for the UK citizens who cannot afford to move abroad when our country becomes a suburb of Islamabad.

Your women folk will not take ages choosing the right dress to go out in.
No more pickpockets after a few hands are chopped off.
Wives walking several paces behind so guys are not within earshot of nagging!!

For all the gays and lesbians I can only advise to run.

 

4.6% sounds far too low a figure for England .. official figures for 2015 say 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population) live in England .. you can surely add a further 2 -5 % for all the unofficial bods ..... It's not just Luton ..every satellite town around London ( including Watford ) and the midlands has much higher percentages of our Muslim brothers and sisters . You also need to factor in higher birth rates and further mass immigration .
Homosexuality is increasing in popularity amongst "our " young folk ( so fewer babies still ) , plus scaredy cat Tories are leaving these shores for distant lands , where they will find big spiders and massive ozone holes above their heads .
I embrace the Muslims ...vastly prefer them to indigenous Tories

 

Carefull....some of them are Moslems and also Tory ! Actually the figure is really 4.6%, ie. much lower than people believe but........very heavily concentrated - here are the actual percentages in some British towns:
Luton 24.6%
Slough 23.3%
Blackburn 28.4%
Bradford 32.4%
Leicester 18.6%
Manchester 15.8%
Birmingham (Highest estimate 26.9%)

It is clear that the problem in the UK. is not overall numbers but rather concentrations - how has this developed. A comparison to Germany is interesting here. Germany has a 5% Moslem population (slightly higher than Britain) but there is no one city with more than a 12% Moslem figure (Cologne 12%, Frankfurt 11.8%) - so it appears that Germany's Turkish population is more evenly spread throughout the country, does this mean that they are more integrated ?

 

Bradford... depends how you measure it:

From the local council
Bradford District is the fourth largest metropolitan district (in terms of population) in England, after Birmingham, Sheffield and Leeds although the District’s population growth is lower than other major cities. In the last three years Bradford’s population has grown at 0.3% which is slower than the regional average of 0.8% and the national average of 1.5%.

Bradford is a youthful district with the third highest number of 0 -15 year olds (124,650) in England; only Birmingham and Leeds have higher numbers. Nearly one-quarter (23.6%) of the District’s population is aged under 16.

The population of Bradford is ethnically diverse. The largest proportion of the district’s population (63.9%) identifies themselves as White British. The district has the largest proportion of people of Pakistani ethnic origin (20.3%) in England.

The largest religious group in Bradford is Christian (45.9% of the population). Nearly one quarter of the population (24.7%) are Muslim. Just over one fifth of the district’s population (20.7%) stated that they had no religion.

Of course it varies from area to area. One school I know is 90+ percent asian/immigrant/non white.... whereas a few miles up the road it is the reverse of that. Immigrants tend to congregate in the cheapest areas....

So parts of Bradford which used to have a high % of Germans and then Poles is now mainly south asian and middle eastern.

 

Sorry if the Bradford figure was out Yorkie - I guess it ultimately depends on where town boundaries are drawn - in some reckonings Salford and Trafford Park would not belong to the City of Manchester itself, the same applies to West Bromwich and Birmingham. But however you calculate these figures they represent concentrations of population - you would very rarely find a Pakistani Moslem in a small village in Somerset but you do find people of Turkish origins in the German rural equivalent. My concern in so many towns becoming in effect transit zones is that if you have whole areas of cities where nobody was either born there (or wishes to die there) then you also end up with a lack of local initiatives there or of political involvement there, because nobody actually identifies with those areas. Remember the last Central Manchester by election - 18% turnout, the lowest in recorded history.

 

2011 figures suggest Greater London White British ( this includes plenty of irish , Welsh and Scottish ) ...44.9%
Luton ..44.6 %
One thing to bare in mind ...many of these folk will be elderly and not around in a decade or 2 . On current trends Britain will become an Islamic state at some point in the not so distant future .
The Muslims , in general are also more cohesive , organised and supportive of one another than Brits ...

 

Is this "let's see who can outdo each other with the stereotypes" week? I would love to know how you got to that conclusion as it's not one I recognise .

 

Go back pre-the 50s and it was probably true of most indigenous Brits too. Paradoxically modern developments have led to the disintegration of traditional communities and the onset of the nuclear family... which is now seeing the breakdown of marriage, more single people etc. Go to most non-Eurocentric communities in the world and you will see the same family and community ethos.

When I first started teaching in Bradford in 1979/80. I was amazed that the kids who were top in English were Muslim/Hindu/Sikh girls. Education was/is highly prized in most immigrant communities.

 

Be careful you don't stereotype any group.

 

No these are demographics.... all available through census stats in the OK.... plus research studies.

 

I thought that Brian - just assumed it had been published with a UK audience in mind.

 

Thankfully in Scotland we seem to have suffered less of the dreaded migration apart from the minorities such as myself (Watfordian English Tory). As such a minority I should be able to fleece the system for every grant, subsidy, benefit there is I mean supporting a non traditional premier league football team, being English and worst in your and a lot of peoples eyes believing in good old fashioned tory trickle down values of hard work to the top and benefit society by providing opportunity for self advancement rather than throw benefits at everybody. There is a fact that in democracy you reward the elements of society with the least self control and those whose religion does not promote birth control. As such yes the islamic and catholic communities could theoretically supersede the WASP community but I can't believe it will happen in my lifetime. My one hope is that the intelligent side of mankind does discover another habitable planet and makes it our exclusive domain, then the world can be left to the socialist and anarchistic elements along with the religious zealots to self destruct....

 

I've lived in a couple of these planets, The Cotswolds, and the best of all, The New Forest. It was like living in England in the 50's but with excellent shops and doctors etc. The problem is these areas are extremely expensive places to live but worth it to keep the riffraff away. You have to guarantee that you vote Tory before you can enter the actual forest.

Nearly every car driver even has two headlights working!! The ones that have not are normally lost and live in Bournemouth.

How long before these districts are ruined as well?

 

Daniel , do I sense a degree of hostility .. it does not bother me , my heart is strong and shoulders are broad ( granted tummy a little soft these days , 6 pack went AWOL 30 years back ) .
Met a lot of Muslims via my sport of badminton ( those who have not played at a competitive level will no doubt mock ) ..,. Those I got to know were pleasant , hard working and decent individuals .. especially liked the folk from Bangladesh .
I know it's a generalisation , but sensed they were very much more supportive of one another than the white Brits I have spent company amongst .... that goes for the working , middle and upper classes ( for the record I believe the class system is a figment of the imagination , we are all merely poxy jumped up monkey's ) .
There does seem to be an awful lot tory boys on this site ...anyone know when this contamination started effecting the "ordinary man's game " ?
Dweller's of the leafy suburbs and quaint villages ( hands up I live in a pleasant village ) ...you will not have to wait much longer to see greater ethnic representation in your environs . They work hard and are accumulating wealth .
Another factor which may accelerate Britain and Europe's march to a glorious Islamic future , is the increasing conversion of the general population . Homo sapien is a species which seems hard wired to " belong" and have "certainties" ..even if those certainties are basically make believe . I can imagine a time when celebrities such as Mr Beckam , a popstar or minor Royal converts ...this might then make it trendy / fashionable ( like the proliferation of daft tattoos ) . The mosques will welcome all newcomers .
A thought ...with the setting of every sun, Britain becomes a little more Islamic ....This is not a racist comment , solely an observation of fact .
Don't jump down my throat , i'm passing the time of day with fellow football supporters ...we need not kid ourselves we are intellectuals with any power to change anything... ( other than the way we choose to think , conduct our lives and treat those with whom we come into contact with ) ..

 

If you look at recent discussions I am sure you will understand what is going on on this thread....

 

Please explain ...I'm not as smart as I pretend to be .