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As demographics change and if, three million are allowed to settle in the west over the next few years like the EU wants, then that minority will rise as european parents that average 1-2 children will see Muslim families have between 4-8. It is not rocket science to see chaos is envitable. We could easily see another Balkan type conflict.

 

The cultural Marxist types, the types that believe in cultural relativism, the types that will damn Christians but will never have the balls to say the same about Islam. The types that believe mass immigration won't have an adverse effect on the native culture of the host country. The types that call for 'free speech' but woe be ****ing tide if it disagrees with them. I know you are not the type mate, I'm just making the distinction.

 

We need to put a stop to it now. I am not racist in the slightest, but we need to protect our culture and way of life. Europe [not just the UK] should be off limits. I don't have a problem with migrant workers that have a job to go to and are highly skilled. There comes a time when enough is enough though. My muslim friends funnily enough agree. There is an air of anti-immigrant sentiment growing across the continent. Can you imagine what would happen if a million refugees converged on say Russia? The neo-nazi's there would have a field day.

The Government need to stop pandering to the EU over quotas. The EU needs to get its act in gear. Stop this madness.

 

The issue is that in certain areas, there is a tendency of muslims becoming more religious and it will lead to extremism. Turkey is such a place. Turkeys secularism was a keystone of their society, over the last 20 years that has changed. Kosovo and Macedonia are other examples. I've heard from kosovarians going home to visit and being shocked by how many burkha clad women they now come across.

How long till muslims immigrants are nationalised and understand they don't even have to fight us, they just need to play the system. Found a party. In 30 years time muslim parties will make up 25-30% of parliaments in europe. And no muslim will vote for another christian again if they can vote for a muslim. Not even your most secular friends.

I've heard from colleagues in London, who are asked by family of patients where the nearest mosque is located at. When they don't know the muslim relatives either demand a muslim doctor or tell the christian that soon they will know where the nearest mosque are at. That sort of arrogance and confidence does scare me.


Borders of the muslim world are bloody and will continue to be so.

 

It will end in some sort of conflict. I really don't see any other alternative. If Europeans don't take a stand will be breed out of existance. It is hard though to make such a stand when you see self loathing idiots who side with the enemy. An enemy that would **** and kill them without a moments thought.

Sweden may well be the first. A once beautiful country poisioned by the Frankfurt school, feminism and unrestricted immigration that suck on the tit of benefits. It breaks the heart to see it.

 

I wouldn't worry too much because the Chinese have lifted the baby ban.

The future is Chinese

 

Sure, it'll come to a head and the west will win, but it will throw us back to the dark ages in terms of racism and nationalism, and that again, is the fault of liberal appeasement policies. We haven't learnt **** from 1933. Or at least our politicians haven't. They aren't at all in touch how the ordinairy citizens feels. Switzerland is different. In my country people make themselves heard via a functioning reactive referendum system, it might not always be pretty but it's a hell of a lot more democratic.

There's only so much ordinairy people put up with before they themselves turn to extreme views and actions.

I have no doubt the west will easily prevail. The muslim world cannot ever unite work together, let alone can they produce modern arms or match the west when it comes to military discipline and doctrine. But it will be nasty, especially in terms of civil strife and unrest.

The UK will probably see less of that because the UK is effectively already a muslim country. People are so 'tolerant' or at least so petrified to speak up that actually there probably will be less reason for unrest. But British or English culture is too far gone already.

 

You don't have to be a pisshead and tell your woman to walk around naked to be British

I think.

 

I think the answer lies in finding an approach that avoids any sort of ideological extremism - left or right.

It's all very well being pro-immigration and seeing the benefits of multi-culturalism (which is the side I lean towards), but without limits and boundaries you end up with chaos and enclaves, resulting in a total lack of integration while also losing any sort of national identity. You end up with multiple warring cultures living alongside each other without living together. Nobody wins in that situation.

By the same token, if you go to the other extreme and seek to ban all immigration and alienate (or even remove) those from different cultures who already live here then you create added hostility and make it more difficult for them to integrate. You also end up losing out on the benefits of being part of a globalised world that requires regular movement and mixing of people to compete with other countries.

Not saying I have the answers, far from it, but there has to be a middle ground. As things stand the majority of immigrants to our country do make an effort to integrate and contribute. We can't ignore though that there is a sizeable minority who don't. Tensions have increased as the process of movement has intensified. It needs to be managed more carefully without being stopped altogether. We can't address the numbers of people wanting to move to Europe without also addressing the reasons why they want to move. We need to look at the whole picture. The leaders of the developed world should be working towards foreign policy decisions that make it easier for developing countries to improve, removing the poison that seeks to stop improvement, and removing the threats that these people face in their own homelands. The problem is that when we have tried in the past too many people have seen opportunities to get rich out of the situation rather than adopting more ethical responses. Even Donald Trump last night was saying he'd bomb the **** out of the oil refineries that IS are using to fund their work - which I have no issue with if it cuts off their ability to purchase arms and restricts their ability to spread. However, he then went on to say that he'd then ringfence the whole place and take the oil. His answer to IS invading these areas (killing thousands of muslims in the process) and stealing the oil is to take it off them and then steal it himself, depriving he area of the sort of funding it needs to rebuild itself properly. The same happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to stop giving the extremists the propaganda that makes recruitment easier, while still not being scared of speaking out against them and doing everything in our power to remove their poisonous influence from the world.

 

They are running a hitler like regime and we have been pussyfooting around.

Sweep across the entire planet with lie detectors and guns and eradicate these arseholes from the planet.

No matter what the cost they have to be ended and anyone hoping for reasoning is clearly a dreamer.

 

There is going to be mass nationalism at some point. It happened in the Balkans with the Serbs. A nationalist party will come to power in Europe and they will 'expel' refugees/ muslims causing absolute havoc. ISIS really are stoking up a fire if they think targeting Europe will sit back. All it will do is create hatred [which they of course want] leading to war. They aren't stupid. They won't attack Israel because they know that Israel will just wipe them out. They won't attack the US, because they know the US will just go to war with them. They attack Europe because we are seen as a soft touch. The trouble is, they don't want to piss the Russians off. Doing that will just unleash hell.

 

I voted UKIP and it wasnt a race thing, it was the fact that over the next 50 years, if we continue to allow the amount of people we do into the country then the effect is crippling. House Prices, rental prices, School places, GP appointments, schools, roads, everything is just rammed. I live in the south and I can appreciate different parts of the country are affected differently, but we are in a country with Trillions of debt, yet we are doing very little about it. I think we should have a closed border regime, or only allow a small amount of people in at a time, not the numbers we've seen in recent years, its not sustainable. The people allowed in should be checked too, Asylym seekers should be just that, not economic migrants just searching for an easier life.

Billions of tax payers money goes to the EU, I'm not entirely sure what revenue as a whole that generates for us but I certainly cant see the benefits.

Billions of tax payers money goes on foreign aid, yet charities are non-stop begging for money, constantly. Im really not against helping those less fortunate, but why not get our own house in order before giving a load of money away. If we ever got in the position where britain were debt free, we would be able to provide so much more help to those less fortunate.

hundred of Billions in corperate tax slipping through, our tax law are a joke, the amount of companies that use this and pay people to ignore it is beyond a joke. If we charged co-operations the correct tax we wouldnt be in such a mess.

The amount of new build properties in London/South east that are put up for sale prior to being built and who are they being bought by, foreign investment from China/japan/dubai. Most of the time they dont even rent them out, they wait for them to be built, wait for the prices to go up or for an area to receive some investment or a trainline and then sell at a profit. Its disgusting that this is allowed to happen, no wonder first time buyers have it so hard.

Lets get ito the situation where we are debt free and the UK taxes are actually used to pay for new schools, hospitals, roads, housing, charity withought nearing the point of self-implosion. Lets actually start looking after ourselves, instead of bending over backwards for anyone that will through a bit of money at us. David Cameron is a prossie yet he sells his country out instead of his A. Corbyn is a hippie who would probably be inclined to introduce shahira law as opposed to fighting against it.

I wish i had the money to get out!

 

I hear ya.

The EU with it's liberal do-gooder policies are killing Europe. That's the irony. The EU is doomed if they continue with their refugee quotas. All it takes is for a far right party to gain power and tell them to piss off.

 

The Swedish went down the road of an open door policy and multiculturalism back in the 70's and are now reaping the benefits, I read that violent crime is escalating out of control and since mass immigration rape has also escalated massively with some areas of the country with high numbers of immigrants becoming no go areas for the Police, indigenous Swedes are seriously concerned but they struggle because of the inherent liberalism of the establishment there that can't see how to manage such a massive problem that puts the very future of a once settled northern European population in doubt.

Europe as a whole is not capable of dealing with the issues raised by what has happened in Paris because the political movement at the heart of the EU federal project will do anything to avoid deconstructing central elements of the project, they did anything to avoid Greece leaving the Euro as that one aspect would have brought the whole idea of a central currency into question and as one of the pillars of the federal union project would have affected this as well, similarly with boarder controls and the freedom of movement they will do anything rather than tear up this agreement, in some respects Blair's attempt to dilute the English through mass immigration and engineer society to be more accepting of left wing liberalism is similar to what the EU federalists want to do with Europe as a whole, they want to destroy nationalism by homogenising the disparate populations to accelerate the end game of full federal union, one way of doing this is to displace or dilute the indigenous populations through mass immigration.

 

You can never have a 'United States' of Europe despite what the EU politicians think. Common Economic policy is one thing. Having a common multi-cultural philosophy simply doesn't work. Every country now has 'no go' zones that are highly dangerous. It's just going to get worse.

 

This isn't ...or shouldn't be ...a right vs left arguement. Granted both political wings have different approaches ...but concentrating on that binary position I think ..is missing the bigger picture here ...and exactly what is wanted

For me the Paris bombing, chucking homosexual off towers, banging people up in guantanimo for 15 years without trial or access to lawyers, the seizing off the west bank, ghettoization of gaza etc are all symptoms of the real division ...its us vs them, not left/right or conservative/liberal ..christian/Muslim

It really is the 99% vs 1% ...that's what has caused this bombing ...The seeds for Isis where planted 35 yrs ago ...mujahadeen became taliban became al queda became isis ...neoliberalism demanded that ..good for the defence industries, resource extraction etc

Impose sanctions that kill half a million Iraqis, Blair agreeing to support the US no questions asked ...a YEAR..before the fraudulent reasons given to parliament and via them to us..leading to a total power vacuum and the deaths of an extra quarter of a million civilians .. (haliburton/blackwater/BP/defence industries did rather well out of it though).why the **** is anyone surprised that the psychopath dregs of iraqi/ Afghanistan etc etc are shooting up Paris? You can't go into another country ..**** all over it and its people and not expect the nutters within it not to react..particularly if you provide them with the tools and training


But this is exactly what the sociopathic nutters of neoliberalism want too!
Problem, reaction, solution

Just watch governments piggy back on the actions of these isis scum ..our civil liberties WILL be eroded once more (The FBI are already pushing to ban encryption due to Paris )...having trouble getting snoopers charter through parliament? ...ahh Paris attack ...that will be an excellent excuse to force it through ...ignoring the fact that mass surveillance didn't prevent it in the first place ..

Libya ..One of the more progressive regimes in middle east (relatively) ...****ed up
Egypt ..not great not bad (relatively) ...****ed up
Ukraine ...****ed up
Iraq and afganistan ...enough said
Syria ...that was stopped ...via parliament ...but does anyone truly belive that it was REALLY stopped ..nope, they just are going about ****ing it up ..differently. Through the back door ...Hell the US have been ..'containing' isis for 18 months.
By 'contain' .. I mean left the border open into Syria and harry them into it ...why? Regime change in Syria through the back door. Why Syria ?.A country ruled by a complete **** but which also allowed both sunni, Shia and Christians to ...'get along'
Funnelling isis into Syria. .leads to floods of refugees into Europe..amongst those WILL be a number of psychotic killers. .its obvious that would happen ..If it's obvious ..The question remains ...why?

It might have summat to do with a planned saud/ qatari/iraqi pipeline through Syria to Europe ...thereby decreasing European dependency on Russian gas?

Nowt being done with respect to the house of saud mind...They can fund isis and not a peep from the bought and paid politicians and media.. House of Saud are real scum ..and a truly barbaric ruling elite . Funding terrorists and promoting wahbism ideology ...but let's ignore that as they are 'our' scum

Cutting this short as iam getting a little ranty ...basic point iam trying to make is ...none should be surprised at what happened in Paris ....its part of an ongoing agenda ...good for BOTH sides ..The psychopathic primitive barbarians on the isis/saud side ...suited millionare sociopaths on the other ...both sides are laughing and having a hoot ...its everyone else (including joe shmo the Muslim trying to feed and protect his kids) that is being royally ****ed in the ass and being told by the media to enjoy it..

The debate here ..and I agree with many of the points raised ...seems to missing the big picture and that's EXACTLY what the sociopaths on both sides want

A corporate CEO, a worker and an immigrant have 10 biscuits in front of them ...The CEO grabs 9 biscuits, then, pointing at the immigrant whispers in the workers ear "careful, that immigrant is trying to steal your biscuit"

 

As far as I'm concerned you should rant more often!!

 

Rubbish, the seeds were sown some 1400 to 1500 years ago when the Prophet Mohammad gave forth his religious vision, as for the CEO bit what a load of left wing bullshit.

 

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If you are arguing that Islam is the exception/different from every other major religion (I would leave the Quakers out of this arguement) that's is utter nonsense

The seeds sown 1500 years ago ..pre the jihad executed three times by the Christians by a few centuries, known as the crusades ...no?

Or are we talking about the partition of the middle east in the 19th century along ..convienient colonial administration lines rather than natural tribal lines?

Or are we talking about the destabilisation of regimes like the enforced placement of the Shah of Iraq overthrowing a democratically elected government in the 50's in an anglo-US coup?

Or are we talking the selling of chemical weapon capability (by western corporations) to Hussein during the Iraq Iran war and used both there and against the kurds?

I can go on ..but it seems from your post ..It is the founding of Islam that is the sole problem .. I trust I have understood your point correctly?

Totally agree with you ...IF .. you are including ALL religious fundamentalists and those that use that particular cloak to hide behind and achieve their aims ..but somehow I dont think you are

CEO bit ..It was an illustration ..you declaring, and consequently, dismissing it as left wing bullshit doesnt really add anything to the discourse ...I assume you will expanding on it?

 

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