Off Topic France under attack

But the majority do need a god, that's the sad thing, it makes them feel important instead of impotent. Many people are unable to think for themselves and many also need comforting regarding their mortality.

It was sarcasm. Think about it instead of taking offence

Seriously? Oh the irony

The murderers believe they are acting on behalf of their particular god, so it may be worth mentioning!

 

It is cheap because it infers blame to the creator, of course it would not be cheap to you because you deny his existence, but to blame God is superficial, cheap, and so easy to do, it is not sound reasoning and yes we have been here before, but I'm entitled to respond to what I consider to be 'a cheap comment', as much as you are entitled to deny the existence of a creator, and I don't see the need to bring God into the subject anyway, anyway that's my last word on it, I think I have fairly addressed the comment.............

 

You miss my point, Daimun. I meant that this thread was not about whether there was a god or not. I've said repeatedly that ISIS has everything to do with Islam.

Sorry Phil, but using the phrase 'sound reasoning' whilst acknowledging the existence of an omnipotent creator is rather ironic.

DAMMIT! Couldn't resist.

 

I didn't take offence, but I did think that your comment needed exploring and maybe some balance, you sarcastic git!...............

 

I'll allow you that one...................

 

thats tolerant of you

 

I'm no radical, well not until you mention the Tory party...........................

 

Best to pay less attention to Gods and their books , and more attention to their followers.
The followers don't fall far from the tree..
Atheists ,imo , live amongst their own religion of sorts.
It's all about a mix of science and religion to me .
If you can find a good balance , you will be your own "Sun of God "

 

One man's religion is another mans reason for hatred , I have no issues with people believing what they want but please don't be offended because other hold a different point of view ,and don't ****ing force it down my throat The situation that the world finds itself in won't be resolved by an unseeing uncaring idol will it ?

 

Because of religion , if I could find a puking smiley I'd use it

Beirut, Also the Site of Deadly Attacks, Feels Forgotten

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  The relatives of one of the victims of the twin suicide attacks in Beirut mourned during a funeral procession in the city's Burj al-Barajneh neighborhood.
  WAEL HAMZEH / EUROPEAN PRESSPHOTO AGENCY
  By ANNE BARNARD
  NOVEMBER 15, 2015

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Ali Awad, 14, was chopping vegetables when the first bomb struck. Adel Tormous, who would die tackling the second bomber, was sitting at a nearby coffee stand. Khodr Alaa Deen, a registered nurse, was on his way to work his night shift at the teaching hospital of the American University at Beirut, inLebanon.

All three lost their lives in a double suicide attack in Beirut on Thursday, along with 40 others, and much like the scores who died a day later in Paris, they were killed at random, in a bustling urban area, while going about their normal evening business.

Around the crime scenes in south Beirut and central Paris alike, a sense of shock and sadness lingered into the weekend, with cafes and markets quieter than usual. The consecutive rampages, both claimed by the Islamic State, inspired feelings of shared, even global vulnerability — especially in Lebanon, where many expressed shock that such chaos had reached France, a country they regarded as far safer than their own.

But for some in Beirut, that solidarity was mixed with anguish over the fact that just one of the stricken cities — Paris — received a global outpouring of sympathy akin to the one lavished on the United States after the 9/11 attacks.

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The site of Thursday's twin suicide bombings in the Burj al-Barajneh neighborhood of Beirut, Lebanon.
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Monuments around the world lit up in the colors of the French flag; presidential speeches touted the need to defend “shared values;” Facebook offered users a one-click option to overlay their profile pictures with the French tricolor, a service not offered for the Lebanese flag. On Friday the social media giant even activatedSafety Check, a feature usually reserved for natural disasters that lets people alert loved ones that they are unhurt; they had not activated it the day before for Beirut.

“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in those parts of the world.”

The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived as a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region.

In fact, while Beirut was once synonymous with violence, when it went through a grinding civil war a generation ago, this was the deadliest suicide bombing to hit the city since that conflict ended in 1990. Lebanon has weathered waves of political assassinations, street skirmishes and wars; Israeli airstrikes leveled whole apartment blocks in 2006. But it had been a year of relative calm.

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(A reminder of the muddled perceptions came last week, when Jeb Bush, the Republican presidential candidate, declared that “if you’re a Christian, increasingly in Lebanon, or Iraq or Syria, you’re gonna be beheaded.” That was news to Lebanon’s Christians, who hold significant political power.)

The disparity in reactions highlighted a sense in the region of being left alone to bear the brunt of Syria’s deadly four-year war, which has sent more than four million refugees fleeing, mostly to neighboring countries like Lebanon. For the Lebanese, the government has been little help, plagued as it is with gridlock and corruption that have engendered electricity and water shortages and, most recently, a collapse of garbage collection. Many in the region — both supporters and opponents of the Syrian government — say they have long warned the international powers that, if left unaddressed, the conflict would eventually spill into the West.

To be sure, the attacks meant different things in Paris and Beirut. Paris saw it as a bolt from the blue, the worst attack in the city in decades, while to Beirut the bombing was the fulfillment of a never entirely absent fear that another outbreak of violence may come.

Lebanon seemed to have recovered over the past year and a half from a series of bombings claimed by Sunni militant groups as revenge for the intervention by Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based Shiite militia, in the Syrian civil war to provide critical support for the Syrian government.

 

I think that the reasons why there is less sympathy for those countries is because we are used to Muslims killing each other, sadly. Let's be honest. A bomb in Beirut isn't unusual. Hezbollah is a big presence there and they have made a lot of enemies, including ISIS. They are now reaping what they sowed. It's a sad fact but we are well used to the Middle East tearing itself apart.

Worth remembering that the only real democracy in the whole region is Israel. Most of the rest are dictatorships that are forever trying to keep warring tribes and religious factions apart.

Jeb Bush's comment about Christians being persecuted was valid, apart from the fact he included Lebanon which has a significant Christian population. Christians are being hunted down and exterminated in Libya, Syria and Iraq.

 

So who is going to resolve it? You? Me? Dodgy Dave, Europe, US, UN? Take your pick.............

 

Christianity is terminally ill, and shortly to be put out off it's misery, along with Islam, there are going to be earth shattering events the magnitude of which you would never have comprehended in your wildest nightmares..............

 

Well I can have a fair guess that it wont be a god , it's our mess and the ones to resolve it (if it ever can be) will be the peoples who have the most resolve , desire fortitude to resist an ideology based on fear, hatred and a drive to dominate free people .The last time I looked no god ever smote down his enemies , just humans with all the attributes I've described above .

 

Here we go......

I think you're right Matt, btw.

 

Theresa May just now: "This has nothing to do with Islam" So that's why former extremists like Maajid Nawaz who now speak out against terrorism are saying ISIS has EVERYTHING to do with Islam. Stupid, STUPID bitch. Mind you, she has also previously said that "Islam is completely compatible with British values". Double

Can someone close to this daft woman PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE educate her! She is encouraging 'moderates' to cop out and wash their hands of the problem! Of course, this is something they are more than willing to do.

 

Isis have just given one of their news bulletins, and have stated they have smuggled 4000 fighters into Europe through the migrant exodus, and have stated more attacks will follow…………….







That is very, very worrying indeed, might just view the European footy championship from my living room next year.

 

He might be, but then he might not be…………….

 

News reports still linking at least two of the killers with the refugee crisis. Nigel Farage in April at the European Parliament:

"When Isis say they want to flood our continent with half a million Islamic extremists, they mean it. I fear we face a direct threat to our civilisation if we allow large numbers of people from that war-torn region into Europe."

Guido Fawkes has pointed out on their website:

"The Mirror derided Farage's speech as a “shameful attack on fleeing refugees” while Amnesty disputed the claim that terrorists would attempt to enter Europe in the guise of refugees. Its Deputy Director of Global Issues told the LA Times: “You’re trying to flee for your life … but somehow you’re dangerous.” Such pronouncements are few and far between now that it is suspected that one of the bombers entered Europe through Greece posing as a refugee. Even Benedict “F**k the Government” Cumberbatch has piped down."

I note that the infamous Daiswan has disappeared recently but he called Farage an "idiot" when I posted this previously. Who's the idiot now?

 

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