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Match Day Thread Spain v England

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Nov 13, 2015.

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    define "very mediocre", please.
     
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    not really. take the fa cup. nearly every team loses once a year. it's no indication of quality.
     
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    so the quality of a team is not related to the amount of games they win?

    wow!
     
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    You seem to be quite happy with England because of the statistics youve offered up.
    Mate theyre pointless if you cant win the big games when it comes to the crunch.
    Theres no WOW about.
    Watch the game, see the difference in quality and ignore the stats its simple.
     
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    England!
    Middle of the road!
    Bang average!
    Nothing Special!
     
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    Bloody hell. I hope the England v France thread turns out better than this one.
     
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    no, no, no. you are failing to see my point, as is glp.

    i've said repeatedly that i'm NOT happy that england are not better. evidently you, like glp, has some sort of blind spot to the places i've written that.

    what i have said that is on the spectrum of international teams, which is where england compete, they are NOT crap. they are one of the better teams, but NOT the best. and i do want the to be the best, but not being the best does not mean they are crap.

    if hull city had won 20 and lost 2 of their last 30 matches, you wouldn't be saying they were crap.

    let me put it like this:

    PRACTICALLY EVERY TEAM NEAR THE TOP OF THE RANKINGS LOSES WHAT YOU CALL "THE BIG GAMES".

    it's a knockout tournament. it's unusual for more than one team to go through such a tournament undefeated.

    take the last world cup:

    brazil lost in the semi-final. that was a big game. they lost seven bloody one! holland lost in the other semi. another big game.

    italy lost in the final. games don't come bigger than that.

    holders spain didn't get out of their group. nor did italy, four time winners. nor did russia or portugal.

    only germany didn't lose a match. does that make all the other teams crap? of course not.
     
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    look, i know you're a wum, but teams that are "bang average" and "middle of the road" do not win more than half their games and lose less than 10% of their games.
     
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    Well dress it up how you wish but the players we currently have are average.
    There certainly doesnt seem to be any improvement coming in the near future
    The Premier league is to the detriment in afraid
     
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    the premier league may well be a hindrance to progress.

    if hull city had played 30 games, won 20, drawn 8, and lost 2, with 71 goals for and 16 against, would you think the team was average?
     
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    The problem isn't the PL.

    It's the FA and the way they manage youth players.

    The Germans aren't ace because of the Bundesleague, it's because of their youth system.
     
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    WUM! <laugh> You asked for a definition! Those terms, IMO, mean, do just enough to get there & once there they maybe get out the group, maybe don't! Yes they qualified with 100% record, the only team to do so!

    http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/qualifiers/season=2016/standings/

    But we all know England at tournaments! I'll watch it & hope, if they do well then great, we've all been proved wrong! It's just the assumption of failure once they get on the pitch!
    So unless they do extremely well & reach the semis or Final then it'll be just another tournament where they make up the numbers!
    I don't give a **** about these friendlies, they're meaningless & pointless to me.
     
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  13. Edelman

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    Hull City dont get to play teams as woeful as some of the teams in qualifying
    Also are you counting friendlies????
    Poor team unable to hang on to possesion long enough to threaten the good teams in the world and that is a 100% fact
    I dont care about stats.
    Stats are for boring nerds
     
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    Sure we do.

    Sunderland and Leicester spring to mind.
     
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    Yes it's a brilliant stat, I don't believe anyone is denying that or can! The problem is that after qualifying for the Euros it then turns into a knockout competition! If you lose in the knockout bit, then usually you end up going home!
    If Hull City had those stats then they'd be on 68 points in the league, if in a cup competition then we'd have silverware because we play in knockout cups every season not every 4 years!
     
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    England don't 'manage' the game against opposition who control the ball. We try to play out from the back but don't look assured, then the ball goes long and when Kane can't keep it the opposition dominate possession. In Ross Barkley we have a potentially world class player and he needs to be in the middle of things from the outset - Carrick is finished.
     
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    so you don't look at league tables? i posted the figures that included friendlies earlier. it's not much different.

    the unbeaten qualification did include twice beating a team currently a place behind us in the rankings, but don't let that bother you. did you know that when barcelona last won the spanish league, they only beat teams worse than themselves? how easy must that have been?

    "Poor team unable to hang on to possesion long enough to threaten the good teams in the world and that is a 100% fact" are you glp in disguise? i'll say it once more - a team that IS good enough to beat 95% of the teams in the world is NOT a bad team nor even an average one. by the very definition of average/mediocre whatever you like. they may not be good enough, but not are spain or brazil or arsenal or man utd.
     
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    how many teams remain undefeated in a knockout competition? normally it's ONE. if you take argentina, brazil, germany, italy, spain, france, holland, then at least six of them are going home without silverware.
     
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    i did ask for a definition, but you won't accept that the average teams are the ones that lose as many as they win.
     
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    Well if you're happy with unbeaten qualification in a very poor group then failure once they get there fair play to you
     
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