Paris - breaking news

It's not about muslim it's about idiots and if you give an idiot a machine gun there's only going to be one result.

 

Ask yourself what you would do?

France has an active involvement in Syria supposedly fighting IS and yet they allow unchecked entry into their country whilst their security services fail to pick up on increased 'chatter' among those they should be monitoring very closely.

 

Well most times the urban terrorists seem to be coming though via Belgium, this attack and previous attacks, not Syria. So even if you blitzed Syria off the face of the earth, the problem still exists or have we forgotten the war crimes committed by Blair who opened up this whole can of worms. We need to keep the Arab countries on side, so i suggest France keeps its missiles banked until actions are agreed with an Arab alliance.

 

It's too late now basically and nothing will ever end these lunatics.

 

IS are made up of Muslims from all over the place, North Africa, Europe, the Middle East...not just France or Belgium.

As for Blair, yes, he is also a cvnt. He played his part but there are others as well who are cogs in the wheel.

 

I know!....I was going to state North Africa, Europe and the Middle East but i just assumed you would guess i already knew that.

And i agree with your second sentence too.

 

Sadly, the whole thing is a giant bloody mess.

 

Basically France is just an easy target compared to the UK, it is easier to move guns around in France. I think they seriously need to be looking at their borders with Belgium and visa versa, the open borders is contributing massively to the easy movement of terrorism. So this is not aimed at immigrants but residents of the two countries.

 

The sooner someone just blows up and kills the entire human race the better.

It never bloody ends!

 

Security of the state and it's citizens has to be central to everything a government does.

If that means Europe has to suspend it's open border policy then that needs looking at.

I hate Cameron but think he got it spot on when ue said we would take refugees from Syrian based internment caps where they had been fully vetted and not any old bloke who turns up seeking refuge.

 

Despite my own liberalism views at times, I've never agreed with an open border policy for any country, including my own right to travel. Sick to death of all these EU purists, when we talk about terrorists being brain washed, I think the EU have managed to brain wash most of mainland Europe. Would you allow a murderers cell door to remain open of a night so he or she was free to wander the streets, of course you wouldn't, so why the hell do we allow anyone to cross a border without checks. The Belgium and France border needs to be closed, that's the only immediate war the French Premier needs to be concerning himself with, at least start with the bloody basics!

 

Totally agree.

The extremist problem is one of a sick mindset that is spreading in small pockets in every area of the world. There may well be individuals among those seeking refuge who subscribe to extremism but their numbers pale into insignificance compared to those who were born here and have been radicalised. This is where the 'nuke the middle-east' argument falls down. All that would do is remove one of the sources of intelligence about those attempting to travel to places like Syria, while providing the sort of outrage among immigrants that is exactly what the extremists want and feed off.

As for 'sending them all back', who do you decide to send back? If it was just those who weren't born here then that would punish the vast vast majority of legal immigrants who never cause trouble while still leaving most of the ones who are carrying out these attacks right here on our doorstep. So you have to go more generations back. But how far? Countries like Britain, America, France and Spain have never had periods of non-immigration. Our countries were built on it. The only difference now is that globalisation has intensified it - but to back out of globalisation would be to back out of our country progressing and keeping up with the rest of the world. And what do we do with the immigrants who through the generations have settled and contributed, providing income and jobs? And which countries immigrants do we send back? Do we include Americans, French, West Indians, Germans, Chinese, or Scandinavians? And what about those who have mixed race ancestry since settling? Even for those who agree with 'sending them back' (and I don't) it is an impossible task.

We need to cut out the poison where it starts with those who radicalise others. Much easier said than done, but that is where our anger and efforts should be targeted.

 

This is one of the stupid parts about it. Even if you decide you want an open door policy between European states that doesn't have to mean no checks. Why can't we have border checks anyway? It makes life safer, provides jobs and - oh yeah - costs money. Short term money saving - but how much money is wasted when we need troops on the streets and buildings rebuilt - not to mention the cost in lives.

 

I've been through the channel tunnel both ways many times and you can be sure if you are travelling by coach the UK customs will check your passport in Calais prior to coming back. I've no problem with having my passport checked but I presume it has nothing to do with national security and more to do with how many times you are visiting the continent......tobacco runs?

 

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

A terrible atrocity. No words can describe how sick and cowardly it is to target innocent civilians in this way.

My company has major offices in Paris. It's just been confirmed that one colleague tragically died in the attacks and two others are seriously injured, one in intensive care.

With global offices, including London, Paris, New York, etc, we've just been told to restrict all travel immediately.

 

Really sorry to hear that Obi. These sick events are so tragic that it is hard to imagine them being worse, but I expect knowing people involved does just that. Here's hoping that the two injured colleagues pull through. Thoughts with you and all who know the victims.

 

We are not part of the Schengen Agreement so there is no unchecked travel to the UK. You'd have to think Schengen is on borrowed time though considering the rising threat of terrorism, not to mention the waves of immigrants going wherever they like in mainland Europe.

 

Obi - sorry to

A number of Schengen countries have also arbitrarily shut borders to try and control mass migration. Presumably this effectively means passport checks and turning back people who are not citizens or without visas. I think it is unlikely that Schengen countries will not introduce passport checks at each border.
As far as i can tell the passport checks on entering the UK for British Citizens are for intelligence purposes and checking for fake passports etc. Think Dorty Mag should be ok with his tobacco smuggling business.

 

Obi sorry to hear this. I am sure it really hits home when it affects colleagues like this. I am sure the travel restrictions are temporary while they assess risks or while enhanced travel security may cause problems for short business trips. Maybe its only you as they are getting sick of paying for the two seats when you fly.