Off Topic Political Debate

Maybe you should do some homework before you reengage.

 

If this is the way you relish spending your time then you must have a very sad life ! Persistent baiting is apparently more suited to you than a debating forum amongst adults so you can now do it on your own !

 

You do like the last word!!

 

It has been widely reported that Merkel is facing open revolt by her own party after her foolish and misguided statement regarding 'no upper limit on migrants seeking asylum'.
The German finance minister has contradicted her comment by saying 'Germany's capacity to absorb refugees was 'not unlimited'.
He even likened Merkel to a careless skier who causes an avalanche.

It now transpires that there were no checks whatsoever on the majority of migrants entering Europe.

 

We are not in stalinist Russia or communist Venezuela and have freedom of speech. There is nothing offensive in that link!!!

 

Superhorns, you've bullied off all the decent debators and you've only got yourself to talk to now!

If you talk an awful lot to yourself, you could become a mass debator!

 

Talk about living in denial!!! It is a fact that one (at least) of the terrorists in this atrocity came in through the open borders policy. It is a fair deduction that that person was not the only one and many more also entered and will continue to do so. Proper vetting of migrants must take place and this should not be a comfortable process. Glad to see Putin and Obama getting together today...

 

Very valid point and I strongly object to the fish n chips abroad mentality of the Brits and our general arrogance when it comes to language. It's far more harmonious when living abroad in my experience to adopt the local culture and when/if tired of it move on.

 

Be careful Aberdeen some posters on here only want to read socialist, open door policies. Any other points are not welcome.

 

I swear that some posters on here are actually glad that one of the perpetrators of this hideous crime may have come over the Balkan route as a refugee - maybe they think it 'proves' a political point for them. It doesn't, because the right of people who are fleeing for their lives to ask for help is an inalienable one - in 1939 there were also many refugees wanting to come to England, there may have been spies from Hitler amongst those, but it did not prevent the British from doing the right thing then. I sincerely hope that they are vetted more quickly in future but if anyone is trying to tell me that we should change the whole concept of giving sanctuary to those in need because of terrorism then terrorism, truly, will have won the day. Would you cancel a big sporting event like the Euro 2016 because of the terrorist risk ? Would you negotiate with them ? The answer to these is probably no because we should not give them the power of knowing they can change our way of life - so why are you prepared to change one of the cornerstones of human rights by barring the needy from help, and by thinking that people who have run away from war will be deterred by barbed wire etc.

 

The right to political asylum for those persecuted in their place of origin is indeed a fine value, however.... the right to migrate across borders for economic or simply to try and impose a foreign culture is to be opposed. Given no control society would degrade to the lowest common denominator and our values of freedom of expression would be lost. We must have controls on the borders, not the ridiculous calls to close borders but control who crosses and the rights of those migrants once in the country.I, coming from a Christian family am massively insulted by the presence of veiled moslems and the presence of mosques in our towns. Are we to accept those who wish to practice sharia law in this country, if you anybody is arguing for this then I should have the right to raise a cross in the Saudi dessert and take holy communion in mecca.....

 

Frankly to suggest anybody is glad that a false refugee managed to dupe the migration services is insulting. I for one abhor the fact that the liberal border controls allowed this contribution to the atrocity.

 

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You will find that in Iran there are both churches and synagogues - would you want less freedom of worship in the UK. ?

 

In Tunisia too but doesn't mean its safe to use them. There is freedom of worship and then there is freedom to diseminate hateful doctrine, worship is fine and dandy but the hate [reaching has to stop. I'm not naive enough to believe thats possible but at least we need to clamp down on the public recruitment by allowing known hate preachers to continue to practice. This goes for extremist Christian sects as well, not so much a problem here as in the states but real none the less.
Look at it this way, take a hypothetical situation where you have a country at civil war with an oppressed minority needing to flee due to threats to their lives and safety. The said minority flee.. what are they fleeing? I would opine it is the oppressors. Now if you open your borders with no vetting or control on this migration you facilitate both the problem and the victims to be able to migrate the problem to the new location. This is the madness of the open door policy to mass migration. THe best solution is to solve the problem at source.

 

must be your bedtime soon!!

 

I agree that it is best to solve the problem at source, but how ? I also agree that it would be better to be taking refugees direct from the area rather than having them trapsing across Europe but......for those already in the Balkans an emergency solution had to be found. We need fast track vetting of these people, and also the means of returning those who are not from dangerous countries more quickly. Unfortunately in my local town of Engelskirchen we have been given 400 refugees (relocated from Cologne) of which about a third are from Balkan countries such as Kosovo, Montenegro etc. and will, eventually, be sent back - but it takes too long (each case, together with an appeal, takes up to 6 months) - some of them are Roma who really are persecuted in those countries so each case is different. There is also one from China - who presumably has a long journey behind him. There are some who are obviously there for economic reasons - there are others, children, who in art lessons can only draw planes, bombs and dying people because that is all they have seen.

 

If I knew the solution I'd be in government...Perhaps if we stopped supporting the Saudi government unless they reformed and invested externally it might precipitate the inward solution. There must be strong educated honest people somewhere in Africa. I have a very good Libyan friend who was a chairman within the NOC in Libya, of Benghazi origin and very opposed to Ghadaffi though in his inner circle, this man was so honorable and 20 years earlier would have made a great leader, it's finding these honest gems in a sea of sand that is so difficult....The only way theses cultures seem to be safe is with very dictatorial leadership though. The transition from tribal to western democracy took us hundreds of years of evolution and we can't force evolution on the third world...

 

I would not deny that ex-pat Brits living in Spain and France and not great examples of integration, but as I do not see that in my every day life, I really would not know. But the culture in those countries is not all that different to Brit culture. But I can carry on - in Mrs W_Y's nursery school the children entering that have the most issues are Muslim boys. Her school has a VI unit, alongside many in bandit central due to the too close breeding in that community. Other communities integrate at all levels - work, socially, neighbours, but this community just does not. It may not be very PC to voice these things and it might not make easy reading, but by and large it is the reality of large towns across the country
I am not Anti-Islamic, what I am voicing is that there is a very large and growing community within the UK that has no intent to integrate but is intent on developing a parallel society in this country. Tell me how turning a blind eye to this will stop Muslims from becoming radicals, tell me how it's stopping families with young children moving to IS held territory?
I have been called a Xenophobe and now accused of being BNP/Britain First apologist - that's enough for me.

 

I haven't directly called you either ...... have I? I have been actually very troubled by the way this debate has gone....

This whole discussion is really becoming toxic sadly...... we all want a better world..... I guess.

These warped ideologists must be stopped I am sure we all agree to that too.

There are good and bad people in every country culture and religion. Those that believe in human goodness must unite and not bow to extremism. I saw them saying this and praying for this in the streets of Paris tonight.

 

Point one ... Only hope for humanity is that we grow up and acknowledge the fundamental truth .... there just ain't no bearded super daddy in the sky .
Point two ... unless there is a significant change in current demographic trends , both Britain and Europe will become Islamic states within 25-50 years . As a proud Englishman ( a rare creature in today's England ) does this truly bother me ?... not really , I don't drink , have always thought women look better covered up and as a by- product it would really cheese off tory voters .
..and finally folks , It increasingly seems the only way to solve the issue of ISIS , is to launch a massive ground invasion of Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq ... I'm sure if Russia , USA , Western Europe , Canada , Australia and "friendly" Arab states fully cooperated , it would be childs play to defeat the Jihadists . Only trouble is those countries would have to be occupied for decades , tens of thousands of soldiers would likely lose their lives ( i'm certainly not volunteering my son to go into battle ) and there is a real danger of this developing into WW3 .
We live in interesting times .... at least for the time being those of us on here have the glorious temporary distraction of the Hornets relative success .