Apologies for my flippant response mate. Yours is a perfectly understandable opinion to hold. I simply disagree with you. There could well be a time in the future when a group like Isis possess a nuclear weapon or similar. At such an uncertain period in history I believe that it would be complete folly to relieve ourselves of our nuclear deterrent.
Dave, I took DT's statement as one that suggested the French will change their foreign policy in order to remove the target from their back I.E stop their involvement in Syria and that the people of France would revolt against the French government in order to push their hand in making this happen. I disagree with this opinion and strongly believe that the people of France will take to the street to show their defiance against ISIS and that the French government will increase their fight against terrorism. I intend to travel to Paris to be part of a march as we all have to stand firm against this common enemy!!!!!!
The Greek government have said that at least 1 of this group passed through earlier this year as a migrant. The fear must be, how many more have come through?
But with respect Col, we don't know what they do in the background........as LoopyR says, I suspect that they might just be providing some kind of intelligence that's helped to foil some planned attacks.
Fair enough, may be the case. But I think that this could be made a bit clearer without putting them or the intelligence at risk. I I stand by my lack of patience with this 'this is not Islam' line.
Chaz, what are your actual thoughts on the attacks last night? Genuine question because all of your comments appear to defend islam but very little condemnation of what is being done in the name of your religion (I'm guessing you are a Muslim, apologies if I'm incorrect). As long as every religious apologist, including Cameron and Obama, continue to come out and say its nothing to do with islam, the problem will grow. Like it or not, these people do have "something" to do with islam, whether they are a tiny minority or not, they believe they are justified in what they do because their doctrine tells them so (and it does). Muslim communities need to actually do something, not just pay lip-service. They need to identify those that show signs of radicalisation and alert the authorities, otherwise the vast majority of peace-loving muslims will unfortunately continue to be the biggest victims in these atrocities. I follow a few secularists on Twitter, this Iraqi writer sums it up brilliantly:
I honestly believe they mean well but are caught in the middle. But it is not good enough any more. Whether they like it or not it's time to come away from that middle ground. They have to work with the security services, convince society that they are serious about stamping it out and do it now.
On the money Dave In about the same amount of time I have witnessed some jaw dropping protests. This weekend last year was in Nice and got mixed up in a protest just by walking through it Hollande was targeted for adjusting the opening hours of some of the free crèches. From 12 years to I guess 90 years old they kicked off. Tables were thrown by the cafe owners. Another one I was taken to St Pons to protest about the Windmills as EDF wanted to put one inside the national park where I live.... Never seen anything like it ... Pitchforks Bird lovers and even Police went to town on the mayor who only suggested the idea... He has since left the area I have heard. I went there with my 93 year old neighbour and two retired teachers around 65 years old If that's not a snapshot of caring I don't what is Loopy jog on
Of course but actions speak louder than words. As others have posted,actions speak louder than words. Where are the highest profile Muslim leaders denouncing these vermin? I'm afraid I do not hear that but I will listen attentively over the next week to see if that does happen. As to red tops as The Mail, I will confess to having a quick flick to the back two pages of The Mirror while waiting for a kebab every 3 to 4 months but that's it I'm afraid.
That writer sums up perfectly the problems members of perceived persecuted groups/religions/minorities face if they try to think/act 'outside the box'. Throughout history leaders who have tried to solve historic divides have often ended up being taken out themselves. I fear it will get a lot worse before it gets better...
I think if we all looked at the number of people moving around Europe we would be really shocked How this blame culture works after a sad event only adds to the sadness IMO. If you give in to fear you are ****ed imo I travel now twice a month via plane between France and England and if I get blown up I give full advanced permission for anyone on here to please have a laugh about me... Because there will be no answers
That is fine but, as I feel certain you know, it is not that simple. Who funds this Council and how much if that funding comes from duplicitous sources that fund both peace and terror simultaneously? Talk is cheap.
Nice insight, Dave. But militant march or not, the French people have voted in liberal governments that have allowed the suburbian arab ghettos to subsist, allowed illegal immigrants to travel through France and helped them set up a shanty town in Calais and increasingly Dunkirk, have behaved as if France has no borders EU or not. The best the people could do is change government imho
All a bit worrying for the Euros next year. Good to see the match going ahead on Monday - I just drove past Wembley and the arch is illuminated with the French flag which looks impressive
