Off Topic Political Debate

I wonder how many of those weapons also left via our ports as exports.

 

I fully agree Yorkie, dropping bombs on these countries has had a price, I have never agreed to our involvement in any of these wars and we certainly have reaped a bitter price.
My view on EU membership is in the context of border controls, we cannot control our borders from EU citizens whilst we remain in the EU and with the millions of Muslim immigrants now flooding into Europe, once they are processed, they will have the right to live here. It just adds more and more people whose culture is at odds to our own. By and large multiculturalism has failed in this country, with town and cities across this country having large areas where you would not think you were in the UK.
Of course I am not proposing deporting people because they are of a different culture, but we have to be able to control our borders. Other cultures integrate more closely, but Muslims just do not.
But defending Islam because of it's rich history of medicine and science is like defending Stalin because of the Bolshoi...or even more ridiculous to semi-justify the actions of IS and the other Islamic terrorists because of the crusades. There is no justification for these actions, whether they are Muslims or any other religon.
Of course these monsters represent a tiny minority, but if we cannot debate this and express our opinions, we are playing into their undemocratic hands.
Unless the concerns of people like myself who see the impact of the failures of multiculturalism are listed to, it will play into the hands of the extremists.

 

I would have thought keeping terrorists out of your country would be a sensible move along with improved co-operation between the intelligence services of different nations. I'm sure many weapons do arrive in the UK through our ports, along with unwelcome illegal migrants. Unfortunately the ill thought out Schengen agreement has allowed the unfettered movement of terrorists throughout large parts of the EU.

I do not support the Nation Front but Marie Le Pen is within her rights by repeating her view that the 'open door' policy and Schengen are political decisions taken by current Eurocrats and politicians that should be held to account.

You misunderstand what she is saying. Even she accepts the fact that no border can be 100% secure. She wishes to rid the country of terrorists, but has no idea how to achieve it. She is a politician who is making a living by trading on fear as thankfully many nationals realise.

 

Not many AK 47's that's for sure. Again, seeking to blame something/someone else for the actions of these monstser. Better add that old "crusades" chestnut to the list of justifications. I bet you really struggle with Israel

 

I think you need to see my earlier post on this - if there were no countries in the World exporting weapons none of this would be happening nearly 3% of the GDP in the World is dependent on weapon exports - together with many other knock on industries. Maybe Britain did not export these particular weapons - but they produced others which have the same results. By the way my reactions to Israel are not clear cut - I respect their culture immensely, admire some of their Socialist forms immensely, and many Jews have played a great part in the development of democracy in Europe, not to mention science - however I do not approve of their policies in Palestine or the idea that a piece of Earth can be 'God given' to a particular people.

 

Of course no border can be 100% safe but if you have no border you are asking for trouble by having less checks. Is she not campaigning for the reintroduction of borders which seems a sensible move. I'm sure she advocates the cessation of migrants into France of unknown qualities which again seems a sensible policy.
It is the present French government policies that are clueless.
She is entitled to her legitimate concerns and is supported by a very large minority of French Nationals. They are rightly concerned with the Islamic jihadi threats.

 

This is where we will never agree on how to break the chain. I would give them all a choice, denounce Islam, repatriate or die. No compassion or allowance, I strongly believe that their religion is as bad if not worse than the Nazi doctrine and needs to be banished to history. I don't forget the Franco Algerian Tunisian conflicts, I lived in Tunis remember.... This doesn't mean I have an ounce of sympathy for the human rats...

 

On the subject of Marie Le Pen I predict if France has any more attacks like yesterday she will be the next President of France. This will have huge implications for the EU, possible break up.

 

Muslim friends need to denounce this kind of terrorism with action and that means shopping their own families and friends if involved. There needs to be no corner to hide, whilst the muslim world continues to pay lip service to peace yet preaches hatred in its mosques as well as equipping terrorists from those same evil temples of hate they have no right to exist.

 

You describe the Algerian population in Paris in a way that mirrors the Jewish populations in the UK, Germany, Poland etc. before the war and the italian community in the UK earlier in the 20th century but because of the difference between islam and catholocism and judaism the reaction from the italian and jewish migrants didn't involve blowing up their hosts or burning their own houses. Tell me why?

 

OK a step back..... The world has a tiny minority of highly problematic individuals who fail to respect basic human rights to life and peaceful self expression. Can we not pool resources from East West and in between with a common goal to oppose and eliminate these groups? Putin is making the right noises, we the civilized world are facing a group of demented individuals who for whatever reason appeal to young immature minds which come predominantly from the islamic communities value set and ease of corruption. Putin needs to lead a global purge of these groups wit ha global intelligence and military force backing him up. Cologne, if yo have your way and rid the world of weapons we go back to survival of the fittest and strongest which I'm in favor of to a large extent, gives me a great advantage....

 

I'm a bit weedy so not sure of that!!

 

If, if, if - sorry you cannot semi-justify these actions because there is an arms trade. I have no love of the arms trade, making people rich in other peoples misery is not justifable. Whilst this country exports arms to some very unsavory regimes i.e. Saudi, very few "real arms" turn up in the hands of terrorists.
We would agree on Israel...

 

Join the club

 

I am not justifying anything - in fact I think we should forget the whole thing of Islam and just call them murderers, full stop. They have nothing to do with Islam. As for Saudi Arabia, they are being armed by both Germany and the UK. and are in unofficial support of ISIS, so maybe some of these weapons are 'coming home' as it were. There will always be nutters in the World but when I see a youth carrying a Kalashnikov on his arm then I also ask how it got there because there are even people in my village who I would not trust with one of those. Another point is the internet - there was apparently a call on the net which went out to thousands urging them that even if they could not get to ISIS then they should kill where they are, yet only China and Turkey actually control the net, and we criticize them for it.

 

https://www.knightstemplarinternati...tered-europe-as-a-refugee-just-six-weeks-ago/

 

Oh dear Cologne, back to the drawing board.!!

 

Since when do links to far right threads belong on these boards - I am not opening it. The Knights Templar International are a rip-off serving for groups like Britain First. We all know that Breivik was also a great fan of theirs. Material from this type of site does not belong on here.

 

To save you opening it just states one of the gunmen entered Greece as a migrant in October. As there are no proper border checks he was able to hold up in Belgium until he went to the promised land and his 50 virgins last night.

 

Sorry but the source here doesn't say a lot for its credibility. Even if accurate it goes to show exactly which groups are profitting from this and in which way. Also one exception does not prove a rule.