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  1. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    I've had a lot of run ins with this lot recently and something one of them posted was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    "The slaughter of animals is like the Holocaust. In fact, it's worse, because only 6 million people died when we slaughter billions of animals unnecessarily every year."

    Now, I'm not Jewish. Or, as it happens, a cow. I still found this offensive. The sheer ****e that they're coming out with leads me to believe that there's some sort of cult forming, I mean, what sort of human being compares humanities greatest failure with the creation of meat products?

    I'm seeing repeated posts regarding arguments that vegans have over "us meat eaters" and an enourmous list of every quip we could possibly come up with which they've painstakingly prepared in case one of us tries to denounce their crap.

    I'm a patient person. People are welcome to a religion or a point of view as long as they're not preaching that they're right and I'm wrong. But this is different. They are telling me I'm wrong, that I'm "speciesist" because I don't consider a cow to have the same rights a human being does. I mean, am I going mad? How on Earth can we apply human rights, concepts, emotions and moralities to something that isn't human?

    So far I've seen animal rights compared to The Holocaust, slavery, women's rights and the Columbine massacre. Then I get lambasted and death-threatened (no idea how that works on a vegan level, broccolied to death?) for telling them to stop telling me I'm wrong. Essentially, they're right because they see themselves as the ultimate altruists, so how can anything other than their own way be considered correct?

    It's neither politics or religion, but I feel this could fast become one of those things that becomes such a pain in the arse, people are going to kick off.
     
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  2. DMD

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    Tell them, at least you don't starve the animals by nicking their food like they do.
     
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  3. Steven Toast

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    Apparently it uses many times more agriculture to feed meat eaters than it does vegan people. That's their rebuttle to that.

    Of course it ****ing does, less than a millionth of a percent of the world's population is vegan.
     
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    It's actually quite a political stance as opposed to vegetarianism which is more of a diet choice. Vegans chose a 'lifestyle' which is anti animal slaughter, anti diary farming and in some cases activist. I'm still undecided as to whether their diet is actually healthy, they insist that Humans are herbivores wheras evidence seems to suggest that we have evolved into omnivores.
     
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  5. Steven Toast

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    We aren't herbivores, we evolved from Apes which are omnivores. If we were herbivores we'd still have a working appendix. Their diet is no more healthy than ours, really. If we chose to, we could eat meat like Turkey (which is really lean) and have vegetables as part of a balanced diet. They get protein from supplements, which might seem harmless, but are chemical replacements and obviously not as good for you as natural proteins. In fact studies have shown that humans have evolved enzymes that draw nutrious proteins from animal meat that we can't get from simply eating plants.
     
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    That old saying, "me thinks ye protest too much"fits those veggi
    Munchers to a tee, why is it us meat eaters just get on with it and that lot have to shove their propaganda and way of life down our throats at every opportunity .... ****ing food religion
     
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  7. Learning To Fly

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    Nope. Enzymes! It needs 6 cans of old speckled hen to turn it nutritious. Before that it is just dead chicken.
     
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  8. DMD

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    We can't have started off as plant eaters, or we wouldn't have survived the ice age.

    Most herbivores need to eat so much material, they spend all day just eating and emptying, or roaming about looking for an area some other herbivore hasn't chewed to bits and **** all over.
     
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    They do indeed. Probably because there's as much nutrition in one steak as there is in about 5 cabbages.
     
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    It's all bollocks anyway. They don't care about all the slugs and insects that get killed to stop them eating their lettuce.
     
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    And the cow in its living state gave milk and leather. Can you imagine the pre-slaughtered cabbage giving up its juice and leaves - oh sorry who needs milk and leather in 5000BC just juice a flippin brassica
     
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  12. DMD

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    I could be wrong, but I don't think we get leather from living cows. Sadly, we do get eider down from living ducks though.
     
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    Vegans can do whatever the hell they want - it's a free country (yours and ours). Once they attempt influence over my way of life they become veget-aryans.
     
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    Wasn't that where the pointy eared bloke in Star Trek was from?
     
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  15. Steven Toast

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    That'd be Vulcan.
     
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    That post was filled with as much rubbish as the militant vegans spout.

    The appendix is a vestigial organ, its testament that we evolved from organisms with a plant based diet.

    Vegans don't need to get protein from supplements, the human body only needs around 60-80g of protein a day, which is quite easily obtainable through a balanced and nutritious vegan diet.

    Supplements are not 'chemicals' vegan protein supplements are made from natural sources such as hemp or pea protein, sure it has to be processed but thats no more unhealthy than the hormone and chemical ridden meat we eat.

    When you refer to 'draw nutritious proteins' I presume you mean complete proteins (those which contain all 20 amino acids), it is true that the only complete sources are not vegan friendly (meat, fish, eggs...etc) however all 20 amino acids can be found in vegan foods such as nuts, beans, legumes, eating a combination of these foods in a balanced diet will provide all 20 amino acids (we only actually need 9 from food, the body can produce the other 11 on its own).

    I'm not vegan or vegetarian and can see how the aggressive or militant stance of some can wind people up, however don't mistake your dislike for them as a disregard for their lifestyle, it is and has been proven to be a perfectly healthy alternative to the common western diet.
     
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    I never knew his first name, me and Mr Spock were never formally introduced. 'Vulcan Spock from Vegan' it has a ring to it.
     
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    No, has from Leeds.
     
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    In most of the westerns I've seen, their diet was mainly beans and coffee.
     
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  20. Learning To Fly

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    Sorry but you have not seen Wyoming Chainsaw Massacre with Cabbageface and the naive student cows.
     
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