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Off Topic USA to ban under 10's from heading the ball.

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by matelot-tiger, Nov 11, 2015.

  1. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    Studies show that concussions in your early life increase the rate of a whole bunch of problems later in life including going to prison. Here in the US many states require an in depth medical examination and questionnaire that goes into the number and time frame of every concussion you can remember. Stats show that people in jail were far more likely to have multiple concussions while playing sports in their youth. I have had to take that questionnaire lots of times and its definitely strange when you start getting close to double digits in concussions before you are a teenager.
     
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  2. Cityswall

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    Can I ask and I'm honestly not being funny here but do you play football different in the US?

    How is concussions heading a football such a problem over there?
     
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  3. Quill

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    That would be fine if heading the football caused multiple concussions on regular occasions, but it doesn't. Concussions in heading are usually caused by two heads colliding rather than the ball.
     
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  4. ellewoods

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    I got mine from playing baseball and basketball. Once I got hit by a 90 mph pitch in the head and couldnt see for about 10 min. I wasnt young then probably around 17. I never played football either yours or ours, I know that banning heading has been something they have been talking about for years. I have probably had at least a dozen or so while playing sports.

    I think when it comes to heading a football it isnt so much the concussions its the low impact that they have found has the same problems as concussions when it occurs frequently.


    Here are the results.

    Exposure to chronic, prolonged traumatic experiences has the potential to alter children’s brains, which may cause longer-term effects in areas such as:

    • Attachment: Trouble with relationships, boundaries, empathy, and social isolation
    • Physical Health: Impaired sensorimotor development, coordination problems, increased medical problems, and somatic symptoms
    • Emotional Regulation: Difficulty identifying or labeling feelings and communicating needs
    • Dissociation: Altered states of consciousness, amnesia, impaired memory
    • Cognitive Ability: Problems with focus, learning, processing new information, language development, planning and orientation to time and space
    • Self-Concept: Lack of consistent sense of self, body image issues, low self-esteem,shame and guilt
    • Behavioral Control: Difficulty controlling impulses, oppositional behavior, aggression, disrupted sleep and eating patterns, trauma re-enactment
     
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  5. ellewoods

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    Yea but the studies show frequent impacts even at a low impact have the same end result as concussions so one cant simply state that something that does not cause a concussion is not damaging.
     
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    The problem there is that the studies also say that heading shouldn’t be banned because they don't have enough evidence to understand exactly what are the risks.
     
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  8. swftiger

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    About Duncan Forbes ex- Norwich City and Colchester U. his wife said "He once told me as part of his training he used to head a medicine ball, with the idea that he could then head a normal football much further." Now in a care home.
     
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  9. Quill

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    That's because he was heading a ****ing medicine ball.
     
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  10. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    Along with lots of other 74 year olds who suffer from Alzheimer's.
     
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    The studies are conclusive I am afraid that is damaging.
     
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    Dr Michael Lipton is currently carrying out a study with adult amateur footballers in the US investigating how heading impacts on the brain.

    His initial findings suggested heading a ball more than a 1,000 times a year could cause traumatic brain injury.

    "Those people were also more likely to perform worse in cognitive tests especially memory and, less so, processing speed and attention," he said.

    "There is clear data that traumatic brain injury increases the risk of Alzheimer's and dementia maybe as much as three fold."
     
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  13. ellewoods

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    Yea, and its probably far less with children whose brains are still developing. I do think there is an argument to be made that at some point one should allow kids to be kids and to much protection could also be harmful. Its probably easy to say when you dont have kids though.
     
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  14. Cityswall

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    Im sorry but the sport has been using 'heading' from day 1 and in the past it's had far heavier balls than today. It's hasn't created raving nutters in the past. I would suggest those who become mad were always destined to be mad. Blaming 'heading' is pathetic, If they were so worried then let the parents who wanted to have the kids wear head guards.
     
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  15. Quill

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    Also, has anyone seen an U10 match?

    It's not exactly Wimbledon vs. Sheff United from 1991.


    (courtesy of Rick Skelton, but as someone who has also seen many U10 matches, I 100% agree with it)
     
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  16. ellewoods

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    It seems you dont understand the scientific method.
     
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  17. WSTiger

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    Not laughable at all. And not surprising given all the evidence that concussions at an early age can lead to degenerative brain disease.

    See the following article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/s...-brain-trauma-disease-in-a-soccer-player.html

    My guess is that we will see more people adopting this and as time goes on the age being raised from ten upwards to an eventual change in the rules for all to ban heading. A dire prediction I know and it may well take a long time and I like others hope I am wrong.

    There is already talk in the USA that American football is potentially heading the same way a boxing a once very popular spectator sport. See the following article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/u...-sport-could-football-be-next.html?ref=sports
     
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  18. Cityswall

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    Ah yes the scientific method that all things are bad. Newsflash they generally are.

    My son wants to play RL and well as football. Now do I wrap him in cotton will and tell him that he can't play RL and then can't head the football for fear of him becoming a nutter or do I let him be a young lad that gets bumps and bruises.

    This is what gets me on this kind of thing. Instead of making their kids wear head guards they are forcing others people's children to modify their behaviour.
     
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  19. Cityswall

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    This is the start of a spiral which ends with physical contact being banned entirely and the game completely dying.
     
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