Off Topic Political Debate

I would argue that current day islamic india goes by the name of pakistan and if you believe that area and culture isn't supporting terrorism with internal persecution of all non muslims then I'm afraid you are sadly deluded. It doesn't have to prove anything it's history, that thing called fact and a counter to the argument that the majority of deaths are caused by Christians. Historically it's the atheist communist systems that have killed most innocents followed by Christian and Islam in equal proportion but Christianity has grown up whereas Islam is still stuck in the middle ages with it's values and hunger for innocent blood. You can also go find links between the Nazis and Islam/Turks etc. In the current day I have zero animosity towatds the modern Christian church but a lot of animosity against Islam and the Catholic church.

 

And I guess you guys really believe that the caste system is so fair and just, the hygiene is something we should aspire to? The corruption a great example to be followed? Come on be real India has nothing good going for it to be followed as a model, its one of the most exploitative unequal societies in the world where your opportunities are decided at birth.

 

I have not mentioned Pakistan. The population of Moslems in India numbers 172 million, actually 10.9% of the World's Islamic population and nearly equal to the entire population of Pakistan. This population is known for being non radicalized - even Al Quaida have remarked on the non activity of Indian Moslems. Why is this ? Why do Moslems there react in a different way when not forced to accept daily contact to the West/particularly the USA and it's value systems ? Is it mere coincidence that there is more or less a direct correlation between the respective numbers of ISIS soldiers coming from different countries and those countries which have had the most contact to the USA - the more contact there has been the more recruits there are. I have not suggested that India is perfect or that the immense differences between rich and poor there can be justified - also their pollution is rapidly overtaking that of China. Whilst on the subject of the caste system it should maybe be noted how much the British actually supported this when they were in control there - and also how many now convert to Islam to escape the consequences of it.

 

One more point, before pointing the finger at Pakistan as being a supporter of terrorism it might be a good idea to look at how many innocent people there have been killed by US drone attacks - how anyone capable of that can accuse others of cowardly behaviour is beyond me.

 

Sorry i thought we were discussing.... and I was responding to.... your notion of being Islamophobic..... and clearly India with I think the biggest Muslim population in the world has less terrorism than the UK to deal with.

I dont believe in the Caste system ( mind you we had our own a hundred years ago.... watch Downton!!). The corruption is awful... but prob the same in several Western countries...... But I have been involved with slum, railway and rescued children in Bhopal for a number of years and we have supported thier Education costs and clothing. I can say with certaintly that with Education there are great opportunties for all in India... as perversely the caste system guarantees jobs by quota. Also with development, extreme poverty will decrease.... and that is happening now.... so India is a sleeping giant....

 

You are talking about India as if its been in its current borders ad infinitum, Pakistan and Bangladesh are part of what I would define as India. THe way moslems act on the world stage is not dependent on their exposure to the USA any more than any other nation. Radicalization takes place from within the mosques and its the same as extreme Christian or other sects, its lead by the pastors and their own charisma and self defined dogmas. Islam has more of these and more dangerous radical elements and it goes back to the founder of the religion and his corrupt morals. The British raj worked with the system as best they could and improved the standards of living for the majority when compared to before our rule. I get that from direct family who hold extreme left wing views but were in the military in India at the time of withdrawal and that comes from their observations and direct contact with all levels of society. The maharajas were far more oppressive than our aristocracy....

 

India has the third largest muslim population in the world behind Indonesia and Pakistan. It may well be that the people by nature are placid, after all Sikhism is the most gentle religion in the world with hinduism a close second and the spiritualism in this part of the world is a different level. I do wonder how many of the attacks blamed by India on Pakistan do actually originate from their own citizens.

 

The partition of India supported by Great Britain with virtually lines in the map.... is the most dangerous thing to have happened in that region. Only this year were parcels of land around the Bangladesh border finally sorted.

Many millions of all religions were killed by others, neighbours on neighbours.... terrible....... I wonder what would be made of our role in that in todays world...

 

The UK unemployment rate fell to a seven year low of 5.3% in the three months to September.
Interest rates unlikely to rise anytime soon.

Isn't it good to have such a fiscally competent government. I wonder want the French make of it? No wonder so many EU nationals want to leave Euroland behind.

 

You talk as if Islamic radicalism had absolutely nothing to do with our meddlings, military operations, bombings and occupations of one Islamic country after the other.

 

When people live reasonably comfortable lives are not oppressed and have access to a better future they don't tend to riot and engage in terrorist acts.

Sure you can speculate. There will always be a small percentage of people in every society or religion etc etc.... thus the extreme anti-capitalists in the UK who indulge in violence etc...

It is more likely the politicians who will stir up the masses in such countries for their own ends... and the present Indian PM is a right wing Hindu nationalist... bad news,,,

 

booo....... my savings are doing nothing... and the stock market returns are little better

 

I get 3% interest in my Santander current account, not bad when inflation is zero.

 

The partition may well have saved many lives by giving the radical muslims their own states.

 

It has less to do with our interaction than the oppression and manipulation by their own leaders for selfish reasons.

 

Opens a very interesting question on interest which is banned in sharia. Direct investment in ongoing business is always a better option though stocks have been a pain this last couple of years especially with a large energy exposure....

 

It doesn't so much now, but it used to be when there was a mention of the numbers of young offenders, there was someone willing to mention re-introducing National Service. I wonder if it was ever to return, whether it might be done as a community service as opposed to military. Two ideas I had were working for charities and helping to renovate empty council houses. I'm sure there are other ideas out there but there would have to be a clear distinction between what is done on a Community Service Order imposed by the courts, and National Service. Keep the military option there for those who wish to take that route.

 

I dont disagree with that......

 

Surely the most die-hard Tories must be wondering what they have done?

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I wouldn't like to meet Maria Eagle in a dark alley, she's a bit scary!!