Off Topic Political Debate

Most of the population of the southern european countries in the Euro. Anyone that has bought a VW, Audi or Porsche under false pretences.

Plus everyone sick of their abilities to outscore in penalty shootouts!!!

 

'Compared to other Nato members`? The same result as in France and Italy. Also the Germans do not regard Russia as a potential threat in the same way as the British do - partly because of history (Germany has a certain obligation to work with and understand Russia - 20 million war dead on Russia's side makes this paramount, the Germans cannot appear to be anti Russian any more than to be anti Israeli). The second is that Germany gets so much of its oil from Russia and this trade relationship is the best assurance of peace.

 

What I mean by kicking the lower et seq is ridding Europe of Islam, something we are going to have to do again, Islam is not a race it's an evil corruption of a religion. Socialism is not what I'm talking about, if you're equating the anti capitalist marchers to socialists I'm surprised, as I stated they are a bunch of trouble making sheep with no real conviction. I believe in the right to peaceful protest, that does not mean anybody should be allowed to intimidate the citizens with acts of violence.

 

The survey was about the possibility of Germany helping another Nato country, in which it scored amongst the lowest.

The soviets would have overrun West Germany if it had not been for Nato's troops and nuclear capabilities. The Germans do not consider Russia a threat because of Nato's continued support, especially by the USA. I'm sure Obama will be superseded by a president with more concern for foreign affairs.

I see the world anti-doping agency commission report has recommended Russia be banned from athletic competition due doping, cover-ups and extortion.

Why do socialist states like Russia, China, North Korea etc feel they can sanction wholesale cheating?

 

Sadly another sweeping statement

Yes not a race.... bu actually t the same branch of religions as Judaism and Christianity...

I am sure there are as many violent extremist Christians as there are Muslims. The Muslims we are talking about are a very small %.

Little difference to the omnipotent raping pillaging and looting as the Crusaders (Christian) who took part in terrible bloodbaths in the name supposedly as their faith.

 

If we could ban ALL religion the world would be a safer place.

If talking about modern day threats the twisted version of Islam must be the major concern to western cultures. Of course there are some violent extremist Christians but not on the scale than Islam seems to produce.

 

President of the German Football Association has resigned over payment to Fifa used to bribe officials to vote for Germany's 2006 World Cup bid.

Is there no end to the problems for the Germans? Their reputation has nosedived in the last few months.

 

I may not disagree with your first point. Religions are also in many ways a force for good.

As we know so many wars have religion/culture/difference at the root.

This is what Mohammed said:

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At least they won the race that they rigged - the yanks could not even manage that...

 

Nice Kraut Crooks?

 

A serviceman has every right to comment on military matters. Appointing Corbyn as Prime Minister would be akin to appointing Ayatollah Khameini

Well I like to be consistent, it probably doesn't surprise you that Richard 1st has always been my favorite King and as a little boy it was the crusades that fascinated me and as an adult its the Knights Templar. Frankly I have zero tolerance for Islam gained when I lived in their world and that goes for moderate as well as extreme. The cultures should not mix.

 

My experience is completely different.

I was an English teacher in Morocco in the 70s and really have nothing but good memories. Similarly I have many Muslim friends and colleagues both here and in India. I find such sweeping damning generalizations about people saddening.

Re the crusades:
The Fourth Crusade was originally intended to conquer Muslim-controlled Jerusalem by means of an invasion through Egypt. Instead, in April 1204, the Crusaders of Western Europe invaded and sacked the Orthodox Christian city of Constantinople, capital of the Byzantine Empire... because of Christian religious difference... crazy.......

 

Do I see another holocaust on its way ? When you start talking about removing whole religions from entire regions then it sounds like you are moving in that direction. What does this have to do with your so called British values - my father fought in World War 2 to keep Britain safe from filthy ideologies like this ! Islam is just as much of a European religion as Christianity is and 2 of the most tolerant civilizations in Europe - the Ottoman and the Moorish (in Spain) were both Islamic - in fact they protected the Jews from the inquisition.

 

Can we leave out the racist garbage here !

 

No the reputation of the Germans has not dived - the reputations of the DB and VW have gone down but ask any of the thousands of refugees coming into Germany at the moment about the reputation of Germany and then compare that to the UK. with its immigration paranoia.

 

The Germans do not fear Russia because they are their best customers for oil. How on earth do you manage to identify Russia as socialist ? Or is this a case of McCarthyism ie. label everything you don't like in the way which is convenient for your argument.

 

Maybe just maybe Germany has a much greater capacity for increasing its immigration? Britain has been growing at an immigration fuelled half a million a year of which half are from nett migration. Germany is only now reaching similar levels to negate its serious population decline which was threatening its future. THe fact that the UK wishes to control its migration because it is attractive to migrants and the country of choice rather than have to just let any tom dick and harry in as is germanys case is an indication of how much better the UK is as a prospect thanks to our conservative governments reversal of the economic disaster..

 

You are already seeing another holocaust in Syria, what else would you call the murder of innocent women and children en masse? I'm not looking at any holocaust in Europe just as long as we remove the cultures that fail to live by civilized rules i.e. Islam. Not to kill but to send to where their rule of law is allowed and indeed is in place i.e. Africa. The flip side we'll take the Christians into Europe in return.

 

I am very concerned about the general groupthink around Islam and the objectification of Muslims.

I was just researching how many Muslims fought for the allies in the 2nd world war and came across this article:


In the spring of 2013, Middle East historian Juan Cole decided to compare the body counts between violence committed by Christians and that committed by Muslims in the 20th century. He found that Muslim violence has claimed the lives of around 2 million people, mostly during the Iran-Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan, while violence by Christians claimed the lives of close to 100 million people. Here's what that looks like on a pie graph:

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Some of this Christian-led violence is well-known: the World Wars, the Holocaust, the colonial wars in Southeast Asia and Africa. Critics of this analysis would be quick to say that this violence may have been by Christians, but it wasn't in the name of Christianity. But in virtually every conflict Cole ticks off, the combatants were overtly religious, and often invoked their religion as part of their military campaigns, just as many of the Islamist militants today are not fighting solely due to a religious grievance, but are organized around groups that share a common religious and cultural background.

But religion has played a more explicit role in some of the 20th-century conflicts involving Christians. For example, the 1990 sectarian warfare in the Balkans culminated in an explicit genocide against Muslim Bosnians by Serbian Orthodox Christians. As Balkans researcher Keith Doubt explained in a 2007 paper, the Serbian Orthodox Church was one of the prime movers in the campaign to scapegoat Bosnian Muslims and justify the eventual ethnic cleansing and genocide that took place. He notes that the “role of the Church as protector of the Serbian nation gave the Church increasing social control, and with this power clergy fermented a xenophobic and bigoted attitude towards Muslims in former-Yugoslavia.”

The Church there was so involved in the eventual atrocities it actually dispatched Orthodox chaplins to bless “Serbian forces, such as the elite Panthers commando unit, which has been accused of committing numerous atrocities, before they set off on operations.” The Church would offer “Serb warriors communion without requiring confession,” giving them absolution for the crimes they were committing to create a “Greater Serbia.”

If the Serbian Orthodox Church's role in the genocide in Bosnia has been forgotten by many, the role of Catholic churches in Rwanda's genocide is likely even less known. During that mass slaughter, “Churches became sites of slaughter, carried out even at the altar.” One of the figures indicted in the genocide there was Father Wenceslas Munyeshyaka, who used to wear a gun on his hip and colluded with a Hutu militia who massacred hundreds of people seeking shelter in his church. After the genocide concluded, various Catholic clergy actually helped church ministers who were guilty of murder flee the country and re-settle elsewhere, including one who allowed all of the men, women, and children hiding in his church to be killed when the church was bulldozed. The BBC actually ran a story in 2004 of a Rwandan girl who converted to Islam after the genocide because churches actively participated in it but mosques did not.


Sure we have a major issue now concerning terrorism committed by extremist Muslims. But as we see above many of the atrocities committed in Africa were by Christians and again in Former Yugoslavia. Similarly support by USA/GB of the Israeli Govt against the oppressed Palistinians flies against UN resolutions etc etc.

It is relatively easy to mass together groups and tar them all with the same brush It is much much harder to find a way for peace on the planet and the well-being of all.