When they quote him, it's to ridicule him as he's a ****in idiot . Not to agree that he makes any type of valid point. He's obviously a raging ****tard.
THE MORAL HYPOCRISY OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL So there we have it. Despite Rangers acting on legal advice at the time, and despite TWO previous hearings finding in the club’s favour, HMRC have won the ‘Big Tax Case’ against the club’s former owners. As it stands at the moment anyway. If, and it is a big ‘if’, this is where it ends, then no rationally minded person can say the club hasn’t done it’s time so to speak. With the concept of natural justice being turned on its head, Rangers were already found guilty by Scottish football’s kangaroo court years before it finally got a legal result in its favour. We were subsequently hung drawn and quartered. Left to the mercy of rapacious wolves, the club also found itself on the wrong end of fines, illegal transfer embargos, prize money withheld and sent to the bottom division in the country. We lost a title wining team, millions in revenue and now receive a pittance in TV monies – the irony being the club’s own fan base is the largest contributor to this particular pot! Enough is enough. Those who continue the bloodlust even now must be rendered as certifiable. That said, given the surprise at this latest result by some legal tax experts as well as the two previous findings going against HMRC, it is not beyond the realms of possibility this process has still some legs in it. With this in mind, it would be prudent to reserve judgement. There is still the distinct possibility the club has been the victim of a grotesque miscarriage of justice. Not that this will matter one iota to the torch and pitchfork brigade who have already crawled out from behind their rocks, foaming at the mouth and whipping themselves up into a morally just Rangers hating frenzy –again. No, when Rangers are in the dock, sound objective thinking goes out the window in Scotland. What matters, the ONLY thing that matters, is sticking the boot into Rangers. The two previous hearings were dismissed at each stage by thousands of ‘tax experts’ around the country, as was the Lord Nimmo Smith Enquiry which cleared Rangers of cheating to win titles. Fans and journalists alike continued the onslaught regardless, by and large ignoring the legal findings of the time. Now that one has been found which suits their Rangers hating agenda- all of a sudden the legal view is binding, valid and final. This latest exercise in duplicity is typical of the double standards relentlessly applied to Rangers. Down south, no one batted an eyelid at the fact some big clubs such as Arsenal used EBT’s. Maybe we Scots are just more morally minded than our English counterparts. Drilling down not too much deeper we find this is patently NOT the case. When Aberdeen’s millions worth of debt was written off, it was described by BBC Scotland’s Jim Spence as a ‘wonderful day for Scottish football’. So a club operates for years beyond its means, is then let off the hook and Jim Spence thinks this is ‘wonderful’. No moral indignation there then. Nor was there for Hearts, a club actually lauded for how they run their business, despite stitching creditors for tens of millions. Others such as Dundee Utd, Dunfermline, Dundee and Motherwell have also used players they effectively never paid for. Not a hint of dissent anywhere. If we were to make null and void the results of all those who used players they effectively couldn’t pay for we would be wiping most Scottish Premier League records from the last twenty years off the map! Then there is Celtic. For decades, Celtic Football Club announced attendances that were ludicrously low to anyone inside the ground. Goodness knows how much the taxpayer lost out with this skulduggery. The same club incidentally which covered up child abuse perpetrated by its staff. (I do not mention this to score points, but to illustrate the basic unavoidable fact-the moral compass only comes out the pocket of many in this country when wrong doing or alleged wrong doing involves one particular football club - Rangers) If we were so ethically minded, then one would think we’d have nothing to do with a tournament which is up to its neck in corruption on a global scale. But we will, and more than that, will be champing at the bit to be at the next World Cup....Scottish Football is NO paragon of virtue. One is logically left to conclude that this latest bout of mass handwringing by Scottish football fans in general, Celtic fans in particular and of course some of our ‘friends’ in the media, is (for the most part) nothing to do with morality, but is everything to do with bigotry, envy and a pathological hatred for Rangers Football Club. http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/article.php?i=81&a=the-moral-hypocrisy-of-scottish-football YAAAAASSSSSS **** you Pud and yer moral hypocrisy
What a load of ****e ... I skimmed it and whoever wrote it is obviously a stupid thick ****. And he may as well have said BJK in the middle
Murrays to blame for the whole mess Rangers go into ... Right down to liquidation. Because of him no one but whyte wanted to take on Rangers and he was very happy to take the quid in dump the debt and any issues Rangers faced to save himself. If another Scottish club , outside of Celtic or Rangers, was to be liquidated they would not have been given the chance to start in 3rd division . They'd be left to start again with the empty space being taken by a club like gala or Edinburgh Fc. Rangers got special treatment when the registration was transferred. The problem was sfa didn't have any rules to deal with liquidation etc so they had to impose rules on the hoof ... Unfortunately for Rangers , they were the first , so it might feel like a shafting. All that's went on , It is not Celtics fault or the sfa or spfl or others teams ... The blame lies solely at Rangers . Murray in particular. In addition, HMRC , a government body , are not anti Rangers ...
Ps I don't think Rangers should have titles stripped but if they did they they should be null and void not awarded to 2nd place or the losing finalist. I'm just laughing at the fact Murray ****ed yer club for nothing other than Scottish fitba titles.
I hope this" it has nothing to do with the fans, it's the fault of <insert individual>" logic applies to accusations of child molesting.
Time to move forward, not back : Rangers FC - Rangers International Football Club Statement Whether this will happen or not depends on who decides what course to take.
MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION (M.A.D.) Hysterical is an understatement when describing the reaction from some Celtic fans(The Sevco’ers) to last week’s news that HMRC have secured a victory in the latest round of the ongoing “Big Tax Case”. The case is important as the final outcome will determine whether Oldco’s creditors(many of whom are fans like myself) are left substantially out of pocket or will in fact be paid in full or close to it. The final outcome in this long running case will not be a “Guilty” or “Not Guilty” verdict, it will simply be an assessment of what HMRC are owed from the substantial creditors pot. Of course our old friends The Sevco’ers have a different take on events, their view for a variety of muddled reasons seems to be that this is a sporting scandal which could only be surpassed if it turned out Lance Armstrong murdered OJ Simpson’s wife while she was mid-coitus with Tiger Woods. Sadly the reality is somewhat less exciting. Rangers used an aggressive tax avoidance scheme for a period, the same scheme was legal and available to all other football clubs in the UK. Many other clubs including Celtic used the same aggressive tax avoidance for a period, some went down different routes of pointing their players and managers in the direction of another tax avoidance scheme in the form of “Film investments”. There are pros and cons to using aggressive tax avoidance measures like this, the obvious advantage for a football team is that you can get a bit of extra money in your players’ pockets with no extra cost to the club. I don’t doubt or deny that the many clubs’ including both Old Firm sides who dabbled with such schemes made some short term cost savings through this and probably(but not definitely) there was some short term sporting advantage to using these schemes. So if this was so beneficial why didn’t everyone use them? The answer can clearly be seen in what’s happened to Rangers since, for all the positives of the scheme there is one massive downside to it which our club fell foul of. It was high risk, make an error with the administration of it or if rules are retrospectively changed at the Government’s whim and you could find yourself facing years of litigation from HMRC as has happened to Rangers. That latter outcome has played out, the BTC liability gave Craig Whyte his chance to take over the club, he stopped paying PAYE, we suffered insolvency then ended up in the hands of alleged fraudsters for the next 3 years. We won 3 titles in the short term but have been unable to compete for the last 5 due to it. Clearly it wasn’t cheating it was a choice, take a route which saves some money but leaves the club exposed to potentially massive future risks or don’t save the money and don’t have the risk hanging over you. Celtic also took the same gamble with EBT’s but they relented at an early stage and made what I think has proven to be the correct choice of ditching the scheme soon after. Rangers won’t be able to compete for the SPFL title again until next season after 5 years of being in the wilderness and to do so will take substantial investment from our fans and shareholders. That’s the answer as to why everyone didn’t do it, it was a gamble and in this case a losing one. Personally although I understand the reasons why companies and individuals indulge in tax avoidance I find it distasteful and have resisted the temptation to indulge in it personally. For that reason I regret Rangers actions for more reasons than just the years of mediocrity it’s led to. Many other Rangers fans share the same view as me and perhaps those who are shouting loudest for more contrition for our errors would see that if they took a less hysterical approach. One thing The Sevcoers are absolutely superb at is creating their own ridiculous narrative and talking about it so loudly and often that their ideas no matter how bizarre become part of the mainstream debate. They managed this in 2012 when Rangers were penalised more than any other club in world football history because of their insolvency, the hate-filled “No to Newco” campaign was one of the most shameful episodes our game has ever seen and led to the SPL treating Rangers as a new club who had to start in the bottom division. This was completely unprecedented and was later proven to be an error by the SPL’s own LNS commission which confirmed Rangers as the same club as well as the various other governing bodies in world football. The same tactic is being deployed now, of course a team should not be stripped of titles for making a mess of their tax affairs, insolvency was the punishment for that and all precedents again show that titles are only stripped in cases where the much more serious offence of match fixing is proven(in some cases not even then). The bizarre suggestion of stripping titles has been brought back to life by the lunatic fringe who hang around the boiler room donation hunting operation known as “The Scottish Football Monitor” where about half a dozen eloquent but hate driven individuals have created a narrative to be parroted by others on social media. The idea doesn’t stand up to scrutiny and clearly Rangers backed by the £500k RFFF would comfortably defeat any attempt to strip titles but it’s been talked about enough that it’s made it onto the mainstream agenda again. Newspapers are seriously debating it and the SPFL have met to discuss it. We can’t let this argument go unchallenged and become accepted as a normal thing to be discussed, it isn’t, repeatedly trying to steal a team’s titles in this way is without precedent and wouldn’t be tolerated in any other country in the world. The word cheating has been banded about far too lightly in recent days. Lets be completely clear, making an arse of tax avoidance with the consequence of 5 years without a top division title and nearly killing your club is not cheating. Bullying and pressuring the authorities constantly with the intention of damaging another club is. So where do we go from here? Putting aside the daftness of the last few days from the “Sporting Integrity” cheats Rangers Football Club appear to have been let down over the last few years in various ways with illegal transfer bans, completely inadequate fit and proper tests allowing alleged fraudsters to badly damage the club and of course the ludicrous and now proven to be incorrect demotion to Division 3. Rangers fans want justice and unlike the ridiculous “strip the titles” campaign they appear to have legitimate grounds. Our board however have understandably made one of their goals to build bridges with the rest of Scottish football and increase our influence to a level befitting the country’s biggest club. A delicate balance needs to be achieved to ensure these two objectives are met. My thoughts are that simply compromising that we keep our titles in return for dropping the various litigation options open to us is not acceptable. There is no legitimate basis for taking our titles so it is not an appealing or fair trade. I do have to confess to a bit of hand-wringing in my preferred way forward, although the popular option of sue the SFA, sue the SPL and ruin them following any convictions in the criminal case sounds like fun it would take years and leave our game hamstrung at a time when it badly needs to attract sponsors. I think we should adopt the pragmatic but perhaps less satisfying approach of keeping litigation as a threat should the following conditions not be met: - The resignation of all who were on the board of the SFA and SPL when the onerous conditions of the 5 way agreement were forced on Rangers and alleged fraudsters were passed fit and proper. - A proper recruitment process to be followed for independent replacements for the two CEO roles. - Either SPL & SFA boards completely independent of the clubs with a clear remit to improve our game or if clubs are to retain representation then a seat for Rangers in both boardrooms. - Some integrity to be shown and the offensive and inflammatory campaigns to strip Rangers of their titles and other efforts to damage the club to be condemned. - An apology to our club and fans. The alternative is mutually assured destruction and unlike some I love my club more than I hate anyone else’s so that’s a no thanks from me. https://exposingtherhats.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/mutually-assured-destruction/ No Surrender to Sevco'ers
Help being given here, no, not for Warwickshire ... Rangers FC - Bears Help The Bears ... but for Paget Rangers.
Lard Lad (Ashley, not Pud) will not like this one bit: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...k-remove-mike-6803079#rlabs=2 rt$sitewide p$1
The DR is quick off the mark ... NOT. Rangers issued the notice of the AGM and the resolutions (including dual interests) last week ! I posted the link on here in this thread the same day, Wednesday, 04/11/2015.
