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If they released the many CCTV videos that were confiscated could easily clear it up but why take them hide them away and never show them... seems like they have something to hide?


Because it is a secret military facility and they don't want the enemy learning how a projectile impacts their building which was designed in part to survive impacts.
 
How many examples of planes hitting reinforced military buildings designed to take minimum damage from missile strikes have there been that one can say it doesn't look like a plane strike?

Is it supposed to leave an exact cutout like when Yosemite Sam runs through a wall?

The wings would break much easier than the fuselage and may have already broken during the descent.


In order for the whole thing to be staged how many thousands of people had to be "in on it"?

The wings broke up on descent but it still managed to fly 2 foot above ground level into the building? :huh:
 
Because it is a secret military facility and they don't want the enemy learning how a projectile impacts their building which was designed in part to survive impacts.

But we've seen pictures of the building afterwards... so we all know how it impacts the building.
 
The wings broke up on descent but it still managed to fly 2 foot above ground level into the building? :huh:


Did it fly level with the ground at 2ft


The exterior walls of the Pentagon are multiple feet thick. Of concrete, steel and Derek knows what exotic materials.

To think that the hole in the Pentagon would be the same as a building with a thin veneer of glass is a big stretch. The wings could easily have been sheared off or goodness knows what.


I think you agree (based on earlier comments) that a plane hit the twin towers. Why do you think they would use something else on the Pentagon? And where is that plane? Have all the airport control tower operators in the North East all been bought in the plot too?
 
There's a big bang <whistle>



Yes... But you design a building in secret to withstand a projectile, you're not going to show your enemies footage of a projectile hitting it so they can learn from it.

Thats my theory anyway... Could be something else. The video footage showed lizard men inside the Pentagon or anything. Military are secretive huggers. Look at that wikileaks guy.
 
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Did it fly level with the ground at 2ft


The exterior walls of the Pentagon are multiple feet thick. Of concrete, steel and Derek knows what exotic materials.

To think that the hole in the Pentagon would be the same as a building with a thin veneer of glass is a big stretch. The wings could easily have been sheared off or goodness knows what.


I think you agree (based on earlier comments) that a plane hit the twin towers. Why do you think they would use something else on the Pentagon? And where is that plane? Have all the airport control tower operators in the North East all been bought in the plot too?

Well there was evidently over 400,000 people involed in the moon-landing plot, so this is a relative doddle.
 
I'm just not closed minded <whistle>

I don't think it was one big cover up... but I do find the Pentagon one dodgy. It could have been a missile by terrorists.. if they released the many CCTV videos that were confiscated could easily clear it up but why take them hide them away and never show them... seems like they have something to hide?
Think about what you've typed there mate and then go have a lie down
 
How many examples of planes hitting reinforced military buildings designed to take minimum damage from missile strikes have there been that one can say it doesn't look like a plane strike?

Is it supposed to leave an exact cutout like when Yosemite Sam runs through a wall?

The wings would break much easier than the fuselage and may have already broken during the descent.


In order for the whole thing to be staged how many thousands of people had to be "in on it"?

<laugh><laugh><laugh>

ACME Airplane.......Meep Meep
 
Sinai plane crash: Bomb fears prompt Sharm flight cancellations
Media captionForeign Secretary Philip Hammond: ''There will be no UK passenger flights out to Sharm el-Sheikh from now''
The UK has halted all flights between Britain and Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, saying there is a "significant possibility" an explosive device caused the Russian plane crash at the weekend.
The decision was taken after experts reviewed the airport's security, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said.
Officials are working with airlines on special flights to bring UK tourists at the resort home as soon as possible.
Russian Airbus 321 crashed on Saturday, killing all 224 people on board.
The Metrojet flight bound for St Petersburg from Sharm el-Sheikh came down in Egypt's Sinai desert.
Mr Hammond said: "We have concluded there was a significant possibility that that crash was caused by an explosive device on board the aircraft."
The US also said initial intelligence suggested the plane was brought down by a bomb.
'Emergency procedures'
The UK government was "very reluctantly" advising against all but essential travel through Sharm el-Sheikh airport, Mr Hammond said.
However, Mr Hammond stressed the Foreign Office was not changing the travel advice with regard to the Sharm el-Sheikh resort itself, which it views as safe.
There are currently about 20,000 British nationals in Sharm el-Sheikh, of which the Association of British Travel Agents estimates at least 9,000 are holidaymakers.
.
Media captionPassenger Sarah Cotterill: ''It looks like we are definitely going to be here all night''
Officials were working with airlines and Egyptian authorities to put in place "emergency procedures" for additional screening and security to be put in place to allow British holidaymakers to fly home safely, Mr Hammond added.
BBC political correspondent Chris Mason said he understood the British government's aim was to ensure flights could start leaving Sharm el-Sheikh for the UK as soon as possible - perhaps as early as Friday.
UK officials at the airport will act as extra security and effectively sign off planes as safe to travel, he said.
Egypt's foreign minister, Sameh Shoukry, earlier said he was very disappointed by the decision to suspend flights, accusing the UK government of making "a premature and unwarranted statement" on the crash.
Egypt's President Sisi is currently in the UK and is due to meet Prime Minister David Cameron on Thursday.
Analysis
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By Frank Gardner, BBC security correspondent
Almost from the moment it was confirmed that Metrojet Flight 9268 had crashed into the Sinai desert, British counter-terrorism officials have been looking at what could have brought it down and what the implications were for the safety of Britons abroad.
The analysis has brought together aviation and anti-terrorism experts.
The Egyptian authorities were quick to dismiss claims by so-called Islamic State that they brought the plane down.
However, British officials now say "new intelligence" has come to light pointing increasingly towards the possibility of terrorism.
They have not revealed what that new intelligence is, or where it came from.
But the government says it cannot take a risk with the safety of so many Britons flying to and from such a popular resort.
What we know about crash
Four theories on Sinai plane crash
Their findings were considered in a one-hour meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee on Wednesday evening, chaired by Mr Cameron, ahead of Mr Hammond's statement.
Mr Hammond apologised for the "immense disruption and inconvenience" caused by the decision.
"I also recognise the immense impact that this will have on the Egyptian economy," he added.
"But we have to put the safety and security of British nationals above all other considerations."
Extra consular staff have been deployed to the airport, Downing Street earlier said.
A number of travel operators have responded to the government's announcement:
  • Thomas Cook has cancelled its flight and holiday programme to Sharm el-Sheikh until 12 November
  • Thomson Airways along with First Choice, have cancelled all outbound flights to Sharm el-Sheikh up to and including 12 November
  • British Airways has postponed its Thursday flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh until Friday
  • EasyJet has cancelled all flights to and from the resort on Thursday and is keeping future flights "under review"
  • Monarch has cancelled all flights in and out of Sharm el-Sheikh on Thursday
  • The Irish Aviation Authority said it had directed Irish airlines not to fly to or from the area until further notice
British holidaymaker Craig Peacock, who has been in Egypt for nine days, said finding out he may not be able to return home is "not the greatest news".
But, he said, postponing flights was "the right thing", adding: "We don't want a repeat of what happened last week".
However, Helen Collins, on holiday in Luxor, said the government had made a "bad decision".
"I think that nowadays, this could happen anywhere in the world, and I feel really sorry for the Egyptians because I know that they have had a real drop in the number of tourists that are coming to Egypt."
Are you in Sharm el-Sheikh? Are you planning to travel to the Sinai region from the UK? Are you affected? If you have any information to share with the BBC, you can email [email protected].
Please include a contact number if you are willing to speak to a BBC journalist. You can also contact us in the following ways:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34724604
 
Sinai plane crash: Bomb fears prompt Sharm flight cancellations
Media captionForeign Secretary Philip Hammond: ''There will be no UK passenger flights out to Sharm el-Sheikh from now''
The UK has halted all flights between Britain and Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, saying there is a "significant possibility" an explosive device caused the Russian plane crash at the weekend.
The decision was taken after experts reviewed the airport's security, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said.
Officials are working with airlines on special flights to bring UK tourists at the resort home as soon as possible.
Russian Airbus 321 crashed on Saturday, killing all 224 people on board.
The Metrojet flight bound for St Petersburg from Sharm el-Sheikh came down in Egypt's Sinai desert.
Mr Hammond said: "We have concluded there was a significant possibility that that crash was caused by an explosive device on board the aircraft."
The US also said initial intelligence suggested the plane was brought down by a bomb.
'Emergency procedures'
The UK government was "very reluctantly" advising against all but essential travel through Sharm el-Sheikh airport, Mr Hammond said.
However, Mr Hammond stressed the Foreign Office was not changing the travel advice with regard to the Sharm el-Sheikh resort itself, which it views as safe.
There are currently about 20,000 British nationals in Sharm el-Sheikh, of which the Association of British Travel Agents estimates at least 9,000 are holidaymakers.
.
Media captionPassenger Sarah Cotterill: ''It looks like we are definitely going to be here all night''
Officials were working with airlines and Egyptian authorities to put in place "emergency procedures" for additional screening and security to be put in place to allow British holidaymakers to fly home safely, Mr Hammond added.
BBC political correspondent Chris Mason said he understood the British government's aim was to ensure flights could start leaving Sharm el-Sheikh for the UK as soon as possible - perhaps as early as Friday.
UK officials at the airport will act as extra security and effectively sign off planes as safe to travel, he said.
Egypt's foreign minister, Sameh Shoukry, earlier said he was very disappointed by the decision to suspend flights, accusing the UK government of making "a premature and unwarranted statement" on the crash.
Egypt's President Sisi is currently in the UK and is due to meet Prime Minister David Cameron on Thursday.
Analysis
You must log in or register to see images
Image copyright AFP
By Frank Gardner, BBC security correspondent
Almost from the moment it was confirmed that Metrojet Flight 9268 had crashed into the Sinai desert, British counter-terrorism officials have been looking at what could have brought it down and what the implications were for the safety of Britons abroad.
The analysis has brought together aviation and anti-terrorism experts.
The Egyptian authorities were quick to dismiss claims by so-called Islamic State that they brought the plane down.
However, British officials now say "new intelligence" has come to light pointing increasingly towards the possibility of terrorism.
They have not revealed what that new intelligence is, or where it came from.
But the government says it cannot take a risk with the safety of so many Britons flying to and from such a popular resort.
What we know about crash
Four theories on Sinai plane crash
Their findings were considered in a one-hour meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee on Wednesday evening, chaired by Mr Cameron, ahead of Mr Hammond's statement.
Mr Hammond apologised for the "immense disruption and inconvenience" caused by the decision.
"I also recognise the immense impact that this will have on the Egyptian economy," he added.
"But we have to put the safety and security of British nationals above all other considerations."
Extra consular staff have been deployed to the airport, Downing Street earlier said.
A number of travel operators have responded to the government's announcement:



    • Thomas Cook has cancelled its flight and holiday programme to Sharm el-Sheikh until 12 November
    • British Airways has postponed its Thursday flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh until Friday
    • EasyJet has cancelled all flights to and from the resort on Thursday and is keeping future flights "under review"
    • Monarch has cancelled all flights in and out of Sharm el-Sheikh on Thursday
British holidaymaker Craig Peacock, who has been in Egypt for nine days, said finding out he may not be able to return home is "not the greatest news".
But, he said, postponing flights was "the right thing", adding: "We don't want a repeat of what happened last week".
However, Helen Collins, on holiday in Luxor, said the government had made a "bad decision".
"I think that nowadays, this could happen anywhere in the world, and I feel really sorry for the Egyptians because I know that they have had a real drop in the number of tourists that are coming to Egypt."
Are you in Sharm el-Sheikh? Are you planning to travel to the Sinai region from the UK? Are you affected? If you have any information to share with the BBC, you can email [email protected].
Please include a contact number if you are willing to speak to a BBC journalist. You can also contact us in the following ways:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34724604

Looks like it was the Israelis then, using 3d, shape-shifting lizard holograms.
 
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Someone @Womble Milk <whistle> mentioned tree ring proxies.

What they did was when the proxies declined in temperature, they chopped off the decline and used other data. ;) That's not how it is supposed to be done not scientific. All data must be included.
Visually it can be shown better.
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They didn't like the bit in red, so they just chopped it off. [HASHTAG]#science[/HASHTAG]
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