Tbf Guardiola went and cut his teeth as manager with the Barcelona B team in the 2nd Division. Over in Spain, it's not like the reserves playing each other, it's basically a bonifide team playing in what we would consider a League 1 division with proper teams like Oldham and Bradford. To that extent isn't that what many are asking Giggs to do first?? In all honesty I can't quite make my mind up about Giggs. I actually think he'll be able to cope with managing a big club, I'm more concerned whether he is tactically good enough or will be able to buy and build squads.
That's more due to poor choice of clubs imo. Real and Chelsea would have sacked SAF in 2004. And 2005 and 2006. I think if we gave Ancelotti the time and support we've given LVG then he would deliver better performances, a more positive approach, and better results. Which is ultimately the important thing imo.
Can't disagree with any of that. Who would you rather pep or ancellotti ? Does anyone actually know how to spell his name. Reckon I've tried about 5 conatations thus far.
I did acknowledge that both Chelsea and Real are sacking clubs, I just feel he's tarnished by it, however harsh that might be. I want United to avoid those managers, although I fully accept Ancelotti isn't on the same planet as Mourinho in that respect. I also feel that pretty soon he'll take a job, which means for him to then come to United will mean he'll have had yet another short term job. Only Milan lasted more than two years by the way. Even the jobs he had before Milan only lasted two years, not just those after. Not my first choice by any means but I suppose he remains one of the few genuine candidates.
Ancelotti is a cup specialist. He's great on knock out situations. His league record, which is ultimately what he will be judged on, isn't that impressive considering the teams he's managed. We have van Gaal, there's one natural successor. Before that let's hope van gaal can tempt a few of his other pals over from Germany, Muller and Robben specifically.
There must be a reason as to why he only ever lasts 2 years? You don't hear about fall outs and he's meant to be a yes man so to only ever have two years at a club bar a one off, is weird. And its always a sacking too.
Yeah, it is strange. Although as it's already been said, it was mad of Chelsea to sack him, he then left PSG of his own choice to go to Real, who also insanely sacked him!
I'd rather Pep, as I think he still has the hunger, and also has been repeatedly publicly quoted over his admiration for Utd as a club and an institution. Definitely a manager who gets us as a club. Ancelotti is more of a manager who will see us as a job and try to do as well as he can. I think he'd be an improvement over what we have currently, and would definitely win us some trophies, but Guardiola would be more passionate and committed, and would thus probably achieve more.
I am in 2 minds in regards LVG, he has stopped the rot and atleast got us back in Europe, but then again he has spent a fortune of our cash. I certainly don't want to see him sacked during the season, I only think you do that when the teams in crisis, and we're along way from that. When your looking like CL qualification is in doubt, then it becomes a crisis, like Chelsea are and ourselves under Moyes. But I wouldn't be against him being sacked at the end of the year, depending on how he does. At the moment I don't think we'll finish any better than 3rd, and I don't see us going far in Europe, so if that does happen then I don't think we'll have improved on last season. I know 3rd is an improvement on 4th, but when you factor in the collapse of Chelsea it isn't really an improvement. We really need to at least be challenging and going deep into the CL with the amount of cash we've spent. A lot depends aswell on who's going to be available this summer, and who's going to be available in the summer after when LVG is retiring. If we can't get Pep until the following summer then it may be worth sticking with LVG. But if Peps available this summer, and we don't look to have improved much on what I'm seeing so far this season then I'd be happy to see a change. He'll only have the 1 year left on his deal, so sacking him won't be to expensive. I definately don't want to see Giggs get the job, probably one of the dumbest things we could ever do. Don't get me wrong I have huge respect for Giggs, but I think you need experience of managing at a lower level before your thrown in at the deep end
Its going to be Pep. I mean we've taken the first step towards him, he's a big admirer, we were late to approach him last time and he knows how to build on the kind of foundations van Gaal. It would bring continuity and there is also the outside issue of City getting him. Peps due to extend at Bayern now anyway so everything could come together quite nicely.
I keep hearing the phrase 'The Utd Way'.. Sorry to piss on your bonfire lads but the Utd way is dead. Football has changed. Hardly anyone plays 4-4-2 with true wingers anymore. Can you name 5 world class wingers without having to think about it? I mean true wingers, touch line huggers like Giggs, Kanchelskis etc. The Utd with died when Fergie left, and the width now comes from the FB's. The Utd way is no more, and won't be anymore, ever. A new era is here and the Utd way is long gone. So the new manager will have to find a new way, but not the Utd way. Giggs shouldn't be manager, would you trust a man that had an affair with his brothers wife for however long? I ****ing wouldn't
Lots of emphasis on emotive language there Sky. You drove the dagger home but the whole thing sounded a little laboured. I'm not convinced you gave it your full effort there. Tell me about those wingers again
Probem there is that if it doesn't work out his reputation is tarnished and he never gets a shot at the job.
That's funny, cos that phrase has only been mentioned once in this entire thread, and that was with a heavy dose of irony. Methinks thou doest protest too much about something which doest not exist. Or just hearing voices again Sky?
It could be equally tarnished by doing an Ole and taking another job and THAT not working out. I know what you're all getting at, that he should cut his teeth as a manager elsewhere. Makes sense in theory but the United job is a bit of a big one, not a poison chalice at all really, it's a dream job for someone capable of taking it on. Far form poisoned. Because of this I don't see how working in the lower leagues prepares him for the United job. Nothing will. He's just as well staying out and learning the ropes at United and topping up the vast experience he already has ready to continue working at the club that already employs him. The only way I can see this scenario changing is if the club deems him not yet ready to take over from van Gaal and the next manager doesn't want him as assistant. He'd have to go and work somewhere else then. And, like many ex players who've left into the big bad world, will probably never be seen at the club again.
If he can't deal with players at a lower level then he isn't going to handle the Man Utd job. So id rather other clubs are used as Guinea Pigs to test him out before he is given full control of our club. It can set you back years allowing an unproven manager to take full control. Most clubs that do it, it usually ends in tears, it's very rare that it ever works out. I wouldn't even say Giggs was much of a leader as a player, he had great ability, but he wasn't the most vocal of players, hence why he was never properly made club captain. If any of the class of 92 had leadership qualities and management qualities it would be Neville
I think at times though some people are right for a job and sending them off for experience isn't always a great idea, if he is capable of managing Utd then he just is and sending him off to learn his trade isn't going to help but just complicate the process.
