Ok, so I've watched the first video... I'm not sure why you posted this. Is it meant to be any kind of proof there were no planes? I'm guessing because there are people saying "I saw an explosion" that's meant to be some kind of proof there were no planes? Or maybe they weren't looking up a that point and by time they heard the sound (sound travels faster then light) the plane had already been and gone... Or perhaps it's all based on 1 guy saying "they blew that building up, nothing hit that building". One guy that looks lie he's quite close so can only see 1 side and could potentially have not have seen a plane come in from a different angle?
There's a great "popular mecanic" article somewhere on the web that debunks all the silly 9/11 theories if any feels like hunting for it.
Far too clever for me, I need a real expert to break it down line by line for me, hence me asking sisu
I will say that the Pentagon one is iffy... No proper CCTV footage of it, all confiscated yet they are happy for pictures of the plane crashing into the WTC to be published. Perfect round hole... no real damage to the ground that would have been caused by planes engines, no wings, engines, tail left... all just somehow disintegrated.
Quite understandable why they would limit showing the effectiveness of a strike on the Pentagon and not release as many pictures. It's a reinforced military facility designed to reduce damage from attack. The wings for example might have broken on impact or been weakened during the fast descent. Even for the Pentagon there are still scores of witnesses. So the fact a plane hit it isn't up for debate... Unless they're all wrong.
Would you not expect to see some sort of remains of the wings / tails / engines? The fact it goes pretty much along the floor, you'd expect there to be some sort of damage to the ground from the engines... unless the pilot was somehow skilled enough to keep the engines just above ground level as not to dig into the turf?
It's idiotic to even contemplate a conspiracy there, as if you believe that one was a lie, then you have to believe the WTC strikes were also staged. It's therefore moronic by definition. As why would you fake that if the WTC attacks were real? Where's the benefit? What's the motivation? It's bollocks mate
Yeah it was so quick after 9/11 that it would be impossible to plan a plausible cover up of a Pentagon attack that quick. Besides. Twin towers was enough of an excuse to bomb Brown skinned people in Asia... The Pentagon wasn't needed to achieve that.
I don't think any of us know 100% what happened... there was obviously some sort of attack on the WTC and I think it's generally accepted it was a plane.. however that doesn't mean it wasn't staged. Something hit the Pentagon no doubt... but could have just as easily been a missile rather than a plane.
No one really knows... for something that big to be staged so many people would have to be involved and kept quiet that you'd imagine something would come out... all I'm saying is, the damage to Pentagon doesn't look like a plane when you look at it.
So you'd belive the entire conspiracy theory nonsense (which you've just largely debunked yourself there with simple common sense) on the strength of seeing what appears to be (but isn't ) a round hole in the Pentagon?
I'm just not closed minded I don't think it was one big cover up... but I do find the Pentagon one dodgy. It could have been a missile by terrorists.. if they released the many CCTV videos that were confiscated could easily clear it up but why take them hide them away and never show them... seems like they have something to hide?
How many examples of planes hitting reinforced military buildings designed to take minimum damage from missile strikes have there been that one can say it doesn't look like a plane strike? Is it supposed to leave an exact cutout like when Yosemite Sam runs through a wall? The wings would break much easier than the fuselage and may have already broken during the descent. In order for the whole thing to be staged how many thousands of people had to be "in on it"?
So what happened to the hundred plus passengers on the plane? Executed just so it could look like a plane hit it instead of a missile?
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