WHAT YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? WHAT YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? You're sounding like the school bully who has taken the weedy kids dinner money. The weedy kid knows he can't do anything unless the bully agrees. Plenty of people did something and went along to the FWG meetings, they gave their own time to go and try to help the multi million pound business that is Hull City. They did it for nothing other than trying to help the club move forward, and what did they get? they got strung along with false promises and lies, as far as I know they still havn't put mirrors in the ladies toilet ( Charlie will tell us ) You yourself did something with the banner project and fair credit for that, BUT from the other side, despite agreeing the dimensions they had no place to put it up, then the banner went missing for a while, then it was put in the best available place until new agreements with existing advertisers ( hows that going? ) at the start of the season it was not put up, people contacted the club maybe your good self and it was put back in the same place as last season. For such successful business men running a multi million pound football club they do make it easy for fans to criticize them.
If all I'd been involved in was the banner, maybe you'd have a tiny point. At least you acknowledge, it needs more than just whining on here about a failure. I'd much prefer the ASI money was handled differently, but I've seen enough guff on here to make me look at things for myself, instead of just believing something because it keeps being repeated. It's gone it could have been done better, Fine, review where things could have been different and lessons learned for the future, but the constant bleating from some is tedious and pointless, especially when some of the things they bleat about is just plain wrong. If they want Allam out, get a campaign going, muster support, or find a buyer. If that's not possible, look for ways to work with the club if not the owners. If that's not possible, look for things we can do ourselves. All have to be better than just whining it's not fair, don't they?
Of course it's done but it was brought up by Happy and people have responded. What do you think should have happened? Everyone just agree with him and be grateful. Once again you claim I'm inaccurate but you never ever say why. All you've posted on here for months is this contrary crap about everyone else 'inventing issues'. It's complete and utter bollocks and you don't do any of this crap in real life.
If someone came out with the same ****e in real life, I'd reply pretty much the same way. Fortunately, few if any do. I only recall havng one, perhaps two conversations with you about the trust and I don't remember saying anything other than the same view I did on here, so I'm ****ed if I know what you're basing that on. As for 'contrary'. If you mean not swallowing guff, you're right. I pointed out several things you and others had got wrong, from the tea-shirts and flags not being ASI funded, and to the guidance on the ASI money. You have a choice, work with the club, or create a regime change. What's it to be?
Indeed, crazily the Allam's could do the self same thing, say they have no future intention of changing the name,that would galvanise the whole club. They won't, of course, because they'll wrongly see that as a climb down and a sign of weakness.
So, what will we do about it? I recall being challenged to pay for a banner so that I might express an opinion - even though I had contributed to the original 'In Bruce We Trust' (that worked well , but never mind) and the second Steptoe one. Of course let's not forget when, again to express an opinion, we were all challenged to buy the club or stop criticising the owners, individually, collectively, it didn't matter, as long as it could be repeated endlessly, sometimes in big grown up letters. Is endlessly whingeing because you think you are right and others are wrong the right way to discuss it? I would like to offer something constructive, something that I might believe the owners would embrace but I can't, as they treat folk with disdain and dishonesty; this we know to be true, it is not a figment of our imagination as we are now being told by the board soothsayer, or schoolyard bully, it depends on your perspective, doesn't it. What I have done is join the HCST and the FSF, I take part as much as I am able or prepared to and that is my prerogative, not that I or any of us needs to explain it to the resident keyboard warrior - although I am happy to discuss the Pros and Cons if that can be done without being unjustly banned by the schoolyard bully. I have also got more involved in local, grass-roots sport at a couple of levels, something I said I might do as PL football and some of its add-ons have started to be personally distasteful. As for the rest of you, enjoy your own level of involvement, express your opinion and think hard and long about a few who think they can dictate how you do that.
I made no suggestion that the only thing you had done was the banner thing, I have no idea how much or little you have done. I used the banner project as an example of how the club has failed to fully utilise the opportunity presented by the fans. It could have been so much better. I did not acknowledge anything. I did not mention the ASI money But as you mention it just because the Premier League were satisfied does not make it right that our club was the only one not to use the money for it's own supporters. By the unwritten rules it was passable but morally wrong. Yes it's gone and could have been done better, but it was all in the hands of the club not the fans. ( Thats for all the topics, ASI, FWG, banner, seat move, and all the rest ) Looking for ways to work with the club will be hard when the club won't play ball.
Fair comments to a degree. It'd be good if we could work closely with the club on all issues, but the reality is that, for reasons on both sides, we're limited to what does and doesn't happen. The FSF mention the ASI spend in a none negative way on their site. I guess a big part of my point is, rather than wasting energy and building negativity, the time and effort could be used in seizing the initiative and actually looking at ways we can improve things ourselves within the limits of what we have, rather than just sounding impotent.
I admire your efforts Dutch, even if you are on a wind up at times, however us all working together to improve things would turn into one humongous bun fight. I honestly laugh out loud at the thought of yourself in a plotting room alongside Lambo, PLT, Castro, Fez, Quill, Sterling, Happy and Tickles, there'd be more ****ing fireworks than tomorrow night at the marina, but I'd pay top dollar for a ticket!
There wouldn't, because no one would say the stupid stuff the likes of Happy and Tickles say on here in person. As for Dutch, he just pretends to be this awkward persona. I have been in a room with him on a few occasions and there's no problem whatsoever.
So I'm being blamed for starting a thread I didn't start, over broken rules that weren't broken, that's water under the bridge and over which the constant whining achieves **** all except to push a couple of bitter people's personal hate agendas? I see.
You'll argue ****ing anything won't you? You posted your usual pile of **** and brought the ASI into it. You know you did. It's there for all to see. I can't begin to get my head around why you enjoy doing this.
Sorry sunshine wrong. It's only stupid in your opinion. I'm the same offline as I am online. I don't pretend I don't know stuff when I do. I also don't pretend I do know stuff when I don't. I don't say one thing and do another. I'm completely not like you at all I'm proud to say.
I mentioned the ASI as a way to demonstrate what some people on here think is breaking some imaginary rules isn't always what it seems. Is there a list of allowed things we can mention when arguing a point? Why you think I enjoy arguing the same stuff over and over is baffling. Especially seeing as my posts on this forum cover a wide spectrum whereas you just post the same bitter ****e all the time. Bitter and wrong.
I'm quite certain that group would actually get along fine. Not sure if I'd trust PLT but I'd sure give him the benefit of the doubt to see if he's not such a twat offline.
These were not provided from the ASI money, as you allude to. They were provided from the money James Mooney uses mainly for match day experience at the KC. He spent the money on these items because he was led to believe that ASI money would be used for our away fans and felt he had misled the FWG.
Excellent. Let's do it then. I'll happily meet up for a pint before a game some time. Any of those mentioned and any of the other regulars on here. We can discuss how to move forward as a fanbase and learn to get along. I find it so ****ing depressing the state of our fanbase nowadays. This thread is a perfect example. If anything can be done to help sort it out then I'm in. I'm confident it'd be positive.
