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We Need a "Proper" Manager

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by BillysStatue, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    People keep scratching their heads at our Jekyll & Hyde performances, and our woeful home form ... the common thinking seems to be that our players simply are not Championship quality, but I see it differently

    WE NEED A MANAGER
    Imagine being at Thorp Arch and as you're getting ready to put on your boots for training, you are asked to gather in the canteen ... you walk through the glass doors and take a seat alongside your team mates ... in walks Cellino with two strange looking dudes ... "My players, I-a cook pasta for you for after training, but for now I-a show you your new Head Coach and his Assistant Coach, please welcome Dave Hockaday and Junior Lewis. I-a is certain you will become great under them. I-a speak to Dave for five hours, yes, FIVE hours last week in-a London, and I-a tell you, he talk beautiful about soccer. I-a believe he is having da capacity to be a phenomenal coach, and no agree with da people who ask about his experience and can he be Leeds coach. I-a know all about soccer, about formations and about players, so I very sure about The Hock. Everyone can fcuk off, he is my first choice, so let's go."

    You stand up in a daze as the ugliest bloke you've ever seen walks up and shakes your hand, and then his limp-wristed assistant gives you a wet-fish of an excuse for a handshake and slopes off behind his king ... training is farcical as The Hock spends an hour putting out cones with Junior, constantly referring to his "notes" on how to coach Championship players gleaned from two days of playing Football Manager 2012 in preparation ... Junior fcuks off back to the clubhouse to fetch the bibs he forgot while you join in for some keepy uppy ... after training the changing rooms are silent as all the players try and get their heads round what has just happened, and morale clearly seems to have hit an all-time low ... you are then door-stepped by "Mr Negativity" Thom Kirwin who wants to know how you feel about your new "manager", and you politely spew out the usual "he's good" cliches before racing out the door and heading home for a large brandy

    Now, it may seem as if I'm being light-hearted here, but I really can't imagine a different scenario ... the moment Hockaday got the job, our season was doomed ... Cellino showed Leeds United absolutely NO RESPECT in appointing this complete idiot to manage our club, and it showed on the pitch and in the stands ... Darko and Redders soon followed, and in all honesty neither worked for us ... Darko took the record off Clough for shortest stay at Leeds, and Redders showed himself to be an unintelligent bull with no ability to manage Leeds United

    A "PROPER" MANAGER WORKS
    Here is a superb example ... Leicester had the brooding, arrogant Nigel Pearson running their team, and if it wasn't for worse teams than the Foxes last season, they would have been relegated ... in comes Ranieri, and with a team that had lost their best player in Cambiaso, he gets them playing good football, gets them fighting and believing, and after eleven games they sit in third place, and the table doesn't lie ... Ranieri is an experienced manager who the players clearly believe in, and it shows in their performances ... Vardy has gone from a wild-eyed so-so player to the hottest striker in the Prem, Schmeichel (remember him?) is looking every bit the class 'keeper we always thought he could be ... don't be mistaken, a "proper" manager makes a huge difference

    CELLINO IS A FOOL
    El Presidente is clearly not the right person to be owning Leeds ... his "methods" are very damaging, and the longer he continues, the worse it will get for us ... his policy of appointing a toothless "Head Coach" is frankly laughable, and it is affecting our players negatively ... in all honesty, I NEVER EVER saw Evans wearing a blazer with the Leeds badge on, not even as a security guard, but then again I never saw Hockaday coming ... Cellino's policy of hiring yes-men on the cheap who are easy to fire means we will never get a manager/coach good enough to take us up ... what Cellino clearly hasn't realised yet is the difference between fcuking about at Cagliari to running Leeds ... the Championship is a ruthless league, and managers can't hide ... in Serie A you can get away with surviving, but not in the Championship ... Cagliari is a small provincial club in Italy that goes largely unnoticed, whereas Leeds is still a global brand that is scrutinised relentlessly ... the football world expects Leeds to be in the Prem and possibly even Europe, but doesn't give a fcuk about what Cagliari does ... Cellino can't run Leeds the way he ran Cagliari, and as long as he continues, Leeds will struggle

    CURRENT TEAM
    This squad of ours, this rag tag bunch, they are not as rubbish as they are putting on ... that first half against Derby away was easily one of the most complete footballing performances you could wish to see ... it goes to show what our team can accomplish when they are fired up and willing ... Cellino can say whatever he wants, but the off-field tomfoolery (court cases, bans, silly player contract negotiations) definitely affects performances on the pitch ... Rosler became increasingly paranoid, and it almost seemed as if he was setting the team up to not lose rather than win, and this resulted in us dropping deeper and deeper every time we had a lead (just look at the Bristol City and MK Dons games) ... Rosler's paranoia could only have been fuelled by Cellino's finger resting on the trigger from the moment he was appointed ... now our team has to try and take Evans seriously and believe that he is the manager to lead them to the Prem, and this must be very hard for them to take ... our players were clearly not in the mood for a game against Rovers, and it is criminal when a manager can't get his team fired up for kick-off ... it would be great to see us get a "proper" manager in and see how our lads respond ... it can't be easy having to play for Leeds under a string of incapable managers

    Cellino needs to go, we need "proper" owners who will make "proper" decisions, and hopefully Cellino's latest antics with LUF will pave the way way for serious buyers to step in and remove The Clown and GFH
     
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  2. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    I agree with pretty much all that

    I think the words really imply we need a new owner much more than a manager, so if I was being picky (and I never, ever am) I'd say your title for the article is wrong
     
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  3. Infidel

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    Cellino needs to stop ****ing around or just simply **** off, we need a Manager of some stature, not that lump of lard he has put there on the cheap, someone like Nigel Pearson and lets get moving, i honestly believe that we have a descent squad that needs some confidence in them and a leader that can show authority and guidance, look at Victimpool, no fresh players Klop or what ever they call him has turned them around. they made the London Russians look like second rate outfit...........abit like us.
     
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  4. Lion of Brisbane

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    "A bit like us"?? I think you're having yourself on if you think that you're in any way likely to meet with Liverpool or the Russians in the next few seasons. Second rate outfit? Get real, son. Long way to go before you attain such heights. <sorry>
     
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  5. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. Any things possible. Swansea and Southampton are as good as victimpool. If we keep going as we are we'll never get there but amazing what five years could achieve if all the pieces of the jigsaw are in place. We need to find all the pieces first before trying to put it together
     
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  6. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    Southampton are owned by a multi-billionaire family - Swansea I partly agree with. 9 owners that saved them by putting in £50,000 each (one of which was a supporters group) back in 2002, but their creditors (including St John Ambulance) only received 5p in the £ - lots of shrewd businessmen amongst theses 9, and has definitely worked if you ignore the moralty of local businesses losing out. A couple of years ago they all received a £200K dividend so were handsomely rewarded for all their efforts and St John's Ambulance were given free advertising to recompense them - the rest had to lose out though.
    Swansea had to go right down to the bottom to start from scratch. For Leeds to mirror what Swansea have done, you would need 10 people to put in £10M each and even then they would probably need to top up that figure every season!!
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said anything is possible particularly with a massive fanbase like ours <applause>
     
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  8. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    You already missed the boat there mate - Swansea could only do it when they went into admin, this COULD have been Leeds, but instead of saving yourselves, you had to ask Sir Ken to save you!!
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing to stop another admin. No boats missed yet
     
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    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    Yes there is - since then the FA have introduced this new owners and directors test which means that any new owner has to provide proof of funds (proof that all debt and ongong concerns are covered) so Admin is no longer a possibility for potential buyouts - Cellino would need to place the club in Admin and then the Administrators would take over and sell to the highest bidder which would almost certainly rule out a fan buyout <ok>
     
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    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    ^^ In fact it would probably mean that GFH (the biggest creditor) would regain complete control.
     
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  12. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. Gibberish my wally friend <laugh>
     
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  13. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    Er, no it isn't

    "Change of control: Prospective new owners must provide evidence of sources and sufficiency of funds for an acquisition. And a business plan that proves they can sustain club for following 12 months (approved June 2010)."

    Financial disclosure: All Clubs must provide Future Financial Information (FFI) showing they can meet all liabilities that fall due for 12 months ahead (approved September 2009).
    Ownership transparency: Public declaration of shareholders with 10% shareholding (approved September 2009).
     
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  14. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Im sure all being researched by greater minds than yours. Not a huge job to find those <laugh>
     
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  15. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Our set of 'head coaches' hasn't been impressive these last 24 months. If I had my choice I wouldn't have picked any of them. Don't get me wrong I think Redders under the right Tutelage as an Assistant Manager from a decent manager would have become a decent manager but he never got that. He got the youth team then was thrown to the Lions.

    I don't think this head coach system works in British Football. What we need is a manager who gets his own players. Celino can try and use the Italian/European model but it doesn't work look at Sunderland, look at Newcastle.

    Your using Ranieri as an example of a proper manager. He really didn't do much at Chelsea let's be honest. Granted I think he learnt a lot since being booted by the Russian however yes we need a proper manager who wants the best for the club. That was the best thing about Larry, he was a Leeds lad. The thing is we won't get a Leeds through and through man at this club again.

    Every modern Chairman/owner wants a yes man look at Barmby and Poyet. They criticized the owners and were thrown out on their ear. Celino has appointed these coaches cos he has no idea about British Football. He wants the prestige of owning a British Club but has no idea what he's doing.

    This squad is a decent squad minus a few players. We can get rid of Bianchi, Sloth, Wootton and Doukara and I find better replacements but that 4 more players that we need to replace as well as adding 4 or 5 more players. When Evans turns around and say we're 4 or 5 players short of being a decent Champs side. We need to buy 4 or 5 more players not replace 4 that we already have.

    We have a squad with 7 or 8 cm and we only need 5 TBH and if we ger Bridcutt we can get rid of 3 and I'm sorry it will have to be Murphy or Phillips along with Sloth and Bianchi (But that my opinion.)

    we need competition for Taylor and we need competition for Dallas and we need a 5th Striker along with a 5th CB. However we will just have to see what Evans brings in.
     
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    Were still paying Clough <laugh> Good that.
     
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  18. Leedsoflondon

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    Didn't stop GFH buying us and as we now know they didn't have a pot to piss in. Clearly don't need that much evidence of proof of funds to fool the FA <ok>
     
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    So much I could take issue with in this post, but I don't have the time or the inclination. I must ask though if you've actually seen Phillips play in the flesh? I'm hugely impressed by him and his potential, considering he's a youngster who's had very few opportunities. He could easily make the DM position his own, but I've seen him play like a young Souness. He's got the engine, aggression, tackling skills, temperament, passing skills & a fearsome shot. Could become a star all-rounder if he's developed correctly.
     
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  20. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    So yet another of our youngsters is coming off the conveyor belt as a potential world beater?
    Perhaps you can explain how the feck we languish just above the relegation zone of the second tier.
    Get some Fecking glasses whilst you are over there!
     
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