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Sea level rising at alarming rate, except in Sweden and Finland apparently

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Where I am in Helsinki

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Can you imagine someone in 1930 predicting the weather in 2014? Almost as stupid as climate scientists predicting the weather in 2100.

 

The evidence of the UN IPCC fraud is clear, they knew for 8 years that the Antarctic was gaining ice.
This chart, shows conribution to sea level, as can be seen by the IPCC's own chart, Antarctic is taking on water from the ocean not adding to it.

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-6-5.html

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Last week, NASA announced that the IPCC is wrong about East Antarctica, which is gaining ice, not losing it.

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

“Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses | NASA

It didn’t require millions of dollars to figure this out. Researchers in East Antarctica have known for decades that they are gaining ice. The fact the IPCC (and John Cook) didn’t know, is a smoking gun of extreme incompetence and corruption.

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But the fraud is much worse than it seems. The claimed “collapse of the west Antarctic Ice Sheet was occurring during the cold 1970’s, and scientists knew that it had nothing to do with climate.

It has nothing to do with climate, just the dynamics of unstable ice.

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23 Jan 1977, Page 13

This story of Antarctic fraud gets much worse though. The Ross Ice Shelf in West Antarctica has been rapidly retreating more than four feet per day since at least 1830, and possibly for centuries. It has nothing to do with CO2, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

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21 Jul 1932 – A Warmer World.

But just when you think this story of fraud and corruption at the IPCC can’t get any worse, it does. Eight years ago, the IPCC knew that Antarctica was gaining ice.

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10.6.5 Projections of Global Average Sea Level Change for the 21st Century – AR4 WGI Chapter 10: Global Climate Projections

They changed their story in 2013 under extreme pressure from governments, which cut almost all of the scientists out of the process.

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Top climate expert’s sensational claim of government meddling in crucial UN report | Daily Mail Online

You can’t make this stuff up. it is straight out of Orwell’s 1984. Only worse.

 

Warmest November day in UK since records began on Sunday #justsayin

 

Is that from the met office? They were caught lying about warmest day ever in heathrow this summer, a plane at the airport passed the sensor which is onh the ****in runway


Quite a few stations are recording less than 20 years meaning "warmest of record" in that sense is meangingless

 

Also I bet there is a trend of this almost every year, Met Office 2011, second warmest November ever
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-16003889


You do know the Romans grew grapes on the scottish border? Try growing grapes there now, let me know how you get on.
#RealHistory

 

Warmest in the UK, not "at a few stations". Obviously you realise there are a lot of stations in the UK that have been recording for well over a century so the age of that one recording station is irrelevant. (Temp's in certain parts of Lancashire and the Midlands have been recorded since 17th Century just so you know).

I'm pretty sure that as this was mid Wales the likelihood of it being altered by a passing jet plane is unlikely I'm happy to accept a Met office recording rather than a BBF one. I'm not saying this "proves global warming", just another interesting stat to throw in the mix

What I don't understand about your climate change paranoia mate is why does it even bother you? If the whole thing is a lie who cares if ultimately it leads to us taking a bit more care of the planet we live on??

 

Yes I believe so and there is strong evidence that the earth cooled significantly since Roman times UNTIL the 20th Century.

The Germans proved the cooling with tree ring studies (Prof. Dr Jan Esper I believe)....the same professor who also said "data from tree rings – a key indicator of past climate – shows the world has been on a ‘long-term cooling trend’ for two millennia until the global warming of the twentieth century."

To believe....or not to believe eh

 

First of all, I have posted statistics from institutions and NOAA and NASA as well as the Danish Met institute, you ignore all of that data and come at me with nothing and say "Paranoid"?

If you can't see the level of ****** in that, then it is hardly worth arguing with you.. show me the data. What stations recorded what temps, that is how it works

When the met office said Hottest day in July, I posted on here the facts, the station localtion marked on a map of the airport, the length of time it is recording data and the actual event, a spike in heat at 1pm in the afternoon caused by a passing plane.

A warm day in Nomvember is statistically irrelevant. I am showing global mean trends in snowfall, ice extent, ocean temps ocean levels, UV data, Satellite temp and oean data, Argo ocean data, IPCC data, data all confirmable and up to muster.

You come out with one slogan "warmest day november"

You must be on the wind up, I dont believe you are that stupid

 

First of all So you are saying the earth got really warm.. then cold and now it is getting warm again?

You are proving my point, cycles nothing to do with CO2 The earth got really cold because the sun went quiet duh, then it warmed up, now the sun has gone quiet and look hey presto, getting cold again.

Also, if you know anything, you would know Tree ring proxies are problematic at best. That's science for you

 

When this happens with NASA temp data, there is no need for paranoia They had to extend the y axis to fit in the manipulation to make ther past cooler and present warmer, these are two NASA charts, they try justify these changes

Fraud.

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A quote from the leading weather guy in france before he was fired
"Verdier claimed, “are scientists who are manipulated, politicised, conflicts of interest, corruption, sex scandals, politicians who think only of their image and their thirst for power, blind media who get carried away and censor under the pressure of shareholders and advertisers, contradictory financial interests, mercantile NGOs and religions in search of new beliefs”. In his book, Verdier vaunted the “merits” of climate change – the attraction to tourists, lower heating costs in winter, better wine and champagne. No one denounced him as a nut case. He told Les Inrockuptibles magazine he decided to write his book when foreign minister Laurent Fabius, who will preside the COP21 climate change conference in December, urged weathermen to report on “climate chaos”."

 

Of course I'm on the wind up you ****ing bellend like shooting fish in a barrel with you.

....but if global warming isn't happening already....it will be soon with all the hot air that comes out of your grid and the steam that comes out of your ears

 

I thought so alright, you've done this before, but I like busting this fraud so much that I engaged

No worries mate


Get this, the guy who does all these temperature manipulations for NASA, Gavin Schmidt, has gone public calling for a global carbon tax. That is what this fraud is all about, it's a UN\Green\Libtard\Authoritative left power grab, control of energy, taxation, economics and lyfestyle.

Hopefully the Paris summit fail because they want to enact a global tax and set up an "international tribunal of climate justice" which will be a secret kangaroo court.

These are not theories, they are on the actual agenda. If a deal is signed, the UK just handed over a massive chunk of sovereighty to the UN and a bunch of bought intellectual bean counters who despise their fellow man.

 

Well I don't just do it to you if that helps

To be honest mate I couldn't care less. If there's a power grab from the loony nature loving left I'd probably rather that one from the loony oil producing right. A global tax may well be a good thing if it targets the dirtiest industries and worst polluters.

I'd be amazed if humans had no impact at all on global temperatures to be honest. What you can't deny is that if there's one species capable of it it's us. We've altered the face of the planet more in a few hundred years than bears thinking about so if a bit of scaremongering helps people wake up to our (potential) impact I won't lose any sleep over it. In fact I'd rather it was that way round than we sleepwalk into a disaster we can't reverse

Ps....tree rings are problematic and unreliable in isolation but when figures are grouped they offer a decent indicator of both long term trends and annual extremes the Mainz University study of them backs up the idea that the earth has cooled since Roman times It does also suggest however that if nothing else that cooling period stopped abruptly about 150 years ago and has reversed since then. No evidence that humans impacted that change, no evidence that it's anything more than a blip or short term thing. Not even irrefutable evidence anything has changed at all (the report didn't claim it to be so), just something worth throwing into the melting pot.

 

This really does stick in your throat doesn't it?

 

You know me Red, unlike most other rants this one is backed up with proof tbf

 

"You couldn't care now" is the correct statement .

Do you have any idea how far carbon controls will invade your own home? New legislation from climate deals will force manufacturers to put RFID chips in all devices in readiness for the internet of things and all these devices will communiacte with the smart meters, these techs are all realted.

So your local climate court will summons you because you left the lights on when you went to work, as that is a crime against the earth.

The global carbon tax is coming much sooner than all of that, sew up your pockets mate if paris is signed, you WILL be funding it

 

Read this back and tell me how mad it actually sounds

We all fund something.......as we seem to be talking "global" I guess we all fund everything. There ain't much in my pockets anyway mate so if some of my taxes go towards reducing carbon emissions I'll take that over them going on bombing the entire Middle East (which they do now and no doubt will continue to until I shuffle off this warming planet ).

As for being taken to court for leaving lights on....I'd be delighted, it sure won't be me going, it'll be my missus and the ruddy kids in court. If the only way i can get them to turn lights off is threatening a trip to see the judge then so be it...... My leccy bill will drop further and faster than Chelsea win win, that'll easily cover my contribution to the global carbon tax

 

World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/04/u...-found-in-greenland-in-ice-260-feet-deep.html

I thought greenland was melting? 260 feet of coverage since the 40s over the airplanes, (24 meters of snow + 61 meters if ice)
#doesntaddup

 

If you read the Copenhagen summit list of issues for the chair of the meeting you'd think the above mild.

Some of these tards actually said "make western nations reduce More than 100% emissions". That's how completely away with the dolphins these crack pots are


We are funding them because we do nothing and let them rape our asses