Match Day Thread Chelsea v Liverpool official spooky match thread

It's why moneyball works in baseball where although it's a team game it's an individual pitching or catching or hitting..

Stats should always be used to assist, not as the defining criteria

 

Yep. Takes two players to make a pass and it takes two to make a cross / assist too. I defended Downing with this argument more times. He wasn't a top performing but he was able to do a job and he was more than capable of getting quality crosses into the box, the problems was that there was never anyone to cross too!

 

Even more so when looking at defensive areas.

A keeper could have a clean sheets record, doesn't mean they're the top keeper. A keeper only keeps a clean sheet if the team are defensively sound, even the very best keepers can't save everything so leave them exposed and they will concede! Defenders are part of a defensive until so again, the stats are a team effort rather than the individual.

Attacking areas are the only area where they can be used but as we've already agreed, only as a guide / assisting tool.

 

Modern stats are more than a simple indicator though.

The level of detail the likes of Prozone go into is mind boggling.

They'll never replace your eyes like, but you get the point....

 

I think you can use them for fitness more so than technical. How many sprints they make, how much ground they cover etc, that stuff is better using stats as you don't often see all of that with yore eyes during a game.

 

So you could cover all the points I raised using ProZone?

 

Did I say I could?

However, you rarely get a dynamic attacking player who's consistent prime contribution is an assist for the assist....

The kind of scenarios you listed aren't registered on the basic stats, but the kind of player who's making positive contributions, will invariably end up with some 'hard' stats (i.e. pass completion, key passes, long passes, attacking passes and of course assists and goals) in addition to the things that you would only fully appreciate by watching them play.

 

I never said you could, I asked a question

Just makes me laugh how much stick moneyball gets in this country but how many people use the stats book like its the modern day bible.

 

The "moneyball" technique is what was used by Comolli to "discover" Suarez and Bale.

 

Only Moneyball was about analysing simplistic stats in a simple game of rounders, and then applying a player rating off the back of it.

Football is a far more complex team game, with infinitely more variables, trying to use the same basic technique was always doomed to failure. As the ratings in football have to have a level of subjective opinion that goes beyond the statistical indicators to have any real meaning

 

And Modric. And Henderson.

 

And if he got his way, Aubamayang and Matuidi.

 

Your point died there like.

 

Mr. FIFA cover art? He's pretty good. Maybe not Bale, Suarez, Modric good but still a very good useful player.

The English Gerrard.

 

Moneyball was about using the stats available to judge whether or not a player was worth signing. This enable them to see who was most effective (based on stats) and let them sign the cheapest options rather than paying top dollar for the star player.

You've just claimed stats are really in depth nowadays and cover pretty much everything you need to assess a player. Why couldn't the same moneyball theory be applied to football IF all areas of football are covered by stats?

Simple put, its because stats can't possibly cover all aspects of football.

 

Yep, lets ignore the other five players highlighted on focus on the one that, in your opinion, isn't so great

PS...all the others are foreign whereas Hendo is English, you being racist?

 

What the **** are you ****ers on about? The new 007 film?

 

The stats would make a player appear on your radar for scouting, but who'd make a multi million pound investment off the back of stats alone?

Equally, a player who's DETAILED stats were complete bobbins over the course of their career to date, wouldn't be the kind of player that you'd want to stick £20m into......hello Mr Markovic, hello to the original point

 

Good to see all the new updates about the match and not some crap bitch argument with Tobes...

 

I was gonna question you on Hendo but Tobes beat me to it. We're like two peas in a pod.