Very little other than some politicking for engine equalisation. Pretty normal compared to other situations in the past, see McLaren, Ford or Peugeot for example.
I was really impressed by that return of 50 race wins from 200 races. It turns out Ferrari's is virtually identical (224 wins from 905 races). Mercedes however have won over a third of races they've entered, going back to the Fangio years, 42 wins from 124 races.
I'm neither. I have absolutely no issue with them wanting to change engine supplier, what I do have an issue with is how they dealt with it so publicly and in a way that was damaging to Renault as a brand and potentially forcing Renault's withdrawal from the sport. It was typical Horner.
I think the only way they could terminate their contract was to make it untenable for Renault to continue.
That doesn't make it any better though. If they didn't have some kind of performance based get-out clause they should have negotiated their way out of it without having to drag Renault through the mud.
Oh no I wasn't justifying it - just thinking that was probably the only way they felt they could terminate.
Quite a bit of back-tracking going on. a few pages ago you were all saying. "they have a sense of entitlement" Has become "I have no problem with them changing their engines" Apparently now, the fans of Hamilton, are disgusted by the 'dirty' way they've done it, because bad mouthing a company you have given 100M's to who have done an inept job is far far worse than: Lying to the FIA about illegal data, Lying three times to the stewards over a knowingly illegal over-take, then blaming words that came out of his mouth on someone else, who was then fired. Accusing stewards of racism when driving like a twat Tweeting everyone you're thousands of miles away so you can (try) to get away with a secret and illegal mid season test.
Do we have to bring Lewis sodding Hamilton in to every discussion? Change the bloody record. The sense of entitlement comes from them threatening to leave the sport if they don't get their way and aren't winning. Do you see Williams or McLaren acting like that? This is why I don't like teams are who are just in it as a marketing campaign and pull the plug when it's not all rosey. Merc will likely walk when their run of dominance ends too... just like all the others.
No backtracking here Miggs. Playing dirty can be added to the sense of entitlement, not instead of. Case against them gets stronger and stronger. They've run out of friends in the paddock and dug their own grave.
Bad mouthing inept Engine suppliers you've stuck with despite them being crap and abandoned by everyone else is horrendous But a team and a driver who have provenly cheated are to be lauded. absolutely priceless No prizes for guessing the real bone of contention you have with RBR, it's still 4 v 3.
Christ on a bike... Have you considered some kind of therapy? Last time I checked Vettel was racing for the Scuderia.
4 v 3 only happened thanks to Renault. RB and Renault worked TOGETHER to get those 4 WDC/WCC's, yet Renault barely get a mention for it. You do seem somewhat obsessed that RBR are in this position, manufactured solely by themselves. Is your issues that it is also now 4 v 3, and that it could soon be 4-4, something which you thought would never happen. Squeaky bum time.........
The plot thickens further http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121538 Does this again suggest that all Red Bull wanted to do was take any glory and advertise it with no mention of any partner being involved? Now, who have they also done that with........... So, no Mercedes veto. Red Bull just couldn't stomach the fact someone else may get some of the credit for any success.
I guess that might cause some headaches with the Infiniti title sponsorship unless they can cut ties with that and Renault engine supply simultaneously. What's the deal with that if they drop Renault? I always found that a little odd anyway as the link isn't particularly obvious. All of this is a little incestuous anyway with the various partnerships.
(My bold) Yes. That's pretty much the way I see it. Never mind the obvious fact that a competitor would seem to have little to gain in offering its biggest asset to a rival, it seems very plausible – at least in a simplified sense – that Red Bull's top-down mentality is perceived in the manner you've described, ASC. Besides, I think I'm safe in saying Red Bull have rarely been the most popular team in the paddock…
