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Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by luvgonzo, Oct 26, 2015.

  1. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Just on Di Maria, he's bombed in France. Going back to your earlier rubbish about it being van Gaals fault. You will find it was very much Do Maria's fault.
     
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  2. lostboi

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    Tbh I don't see him fixing much. The only thing we get is huge ball possession which doesn't win u matches. Yes he has put up a good set of players and I can't wait for him to leave so the next manager can set the players lose and play them to their potentials.
     
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  3. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    The players have a role in this too.
     
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  4. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    You're blind.

    He's fixed loads since the actually useless and utterly **** manager that we did have ****ed **** up.
     
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    Come on, they are clearly being told to play that way.
    It's their job, it's what they do. Footballers do as they are told.
     
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  6. UnitedinRed

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    Addressing United bullshit myth number 34. van Gaal restricts the players.

    Not really. Its quite obvious when watching that the following players are free to do as they like.

    Rooney
    Mata
    Herrera
    Martial
    Delay
    Lingard

    On top of that, one of the two deeper midfielders is often given licence to roam. Usually Schweinsteiger but Fellaini when he replaces him, which is becoming the norm.

    Our full backs are certainly unrestricted. The first choice two are brilliant and total transform the side. The replacements tend to be more cautious but that's because they are more defensive minded. Ones a CB and the other a DM.

    So no, he doesn't restrict the players. He demands one of his CB charges forward out of defence, a major part of his overall game plan, adding the extra man in midfield and splitting the opponent by using the defender to inrease numbers.
     
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  7. lostboi

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    3 goals and 3 assists in 10 games is a good return so far. He creates gazillion of chances every game while our whole team struggle to create one chance.
     
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  8. Chief

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    Oh, ok then.

    The players decide to play that way. Got it.
     
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  9. UnitedinRed

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    They're clearly not as my above posts explains.

    If anything, he needs to get them more disciplined. Rooney must stay forward, Herrera needs to be joing the attack at all times, he need to be that late runner, not drift from left to right between midfield and attack. Rooney needs support up there.

    Mata and delay cutting in. He needs to be telling them to give us width as well. Don't always cut in, it becomes predictable, defenders second guess it.

    We don't need to be static but we need more discipline on our play. Players need to understand their role.

    Martial gets it, he's been moved out left and he's given us the width out there. Not only that, he understands that in a one striker formation, someone has to support that striker. Against CSKA he scored a typical goal, winger comes from him wide position to head the ball in. How often have we seen that in football.

    Were getting into good positions and the player on the ball has no options so he has to to back. Which is part of the philosophy. Because if there are no options, retaining possession is the next best thing. Far to often, Memphis, Martial, Young would get into good positions and nobody is in the box. Herrera and Rooney are 20 yards away.

    This isn't just on van gaal. This is on the players. They are not robots.
     
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  10. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Bombed. Booed the other night. Being destroyed in French media.

    Yeh, he's not impressed at all.
     
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  11. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    You do understand its a two way street. Van gaal sets the tactics, sets the training regimes etc but once on the pitch, the players then have to do their bit too. We dont send out the extras for the walking dead and have to instruct their every move as quite a few of you lot seem to think happens.
     
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  12. lostboi

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    I'm not basing my comment only on the city game. We have played like 15 games this season, and most of the games have been very boring and not pleasing to the eyes. We start slow and only try to attack in the second half. Arsenal capitalized on that and destroyed us within 20 mins. It has become a tradition for fans to watch United and get disappointed week in week out even when we win.
     
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  13. lostboi

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    That is bull crap. Van gaal doesn't like his players losing the ball, that is a fact. When u try to play a forward pass and lose it u gradually get in his bad book. To avoid that u have to play it safe, hence side passes.
     
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  14. UnitedinRed

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    Stop hanging around miserable people then. All of you.

    Because there's ****ing loads of United fans very happy to have gone from the ****e we did play (and not one of you complained about it.... Yeh, strange) to title contenders in just over a year.

    Nobody thinks were 2011 Barcelona but most sane people don't think were this utterly dreadful side that has a manager who doesn't know what he's doing.
     
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    Losing the ball is suicide in football. There's not a manager alive who likes his players losing the ball.

    Why would any manager, player or fan want that?

    If theres no option in the box, or 7 defenders and 1 attacker, it doesn't take a genius to work out there's a very high chance of losing possession here and being put on the defensive. So van Gaals teams do what all of Europe's top sides do today, recycles possession to try again.

    Its much harder in out league though. Yet he still has us as one of the best sides in it.
     
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    U are contradicting urself. U said rooney doesn't stay in the box, so why keep playing him as the lone striker when he doesn't stay in the box? Isn't that the managers job, to replace players that are not doing their job right.
     
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    The problem is we hardly ever have anyone in the box. There were a few crosses into the box on Sunday. Utterly futile exercise as it was Rooney v about 5 City players. Playing this possession football with a striker who likes to drop deep and who is so out of form will mean that we will struggle to get goals against teams who are happy to defend in numbers. We were superb against Everton because they had their full backs bombing forward and leaving huge gaps to play into.
     
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    I understand football only too well pal, no worries there.
     
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    :emoticon-0132-envy: How very dare you lastboil! .... just you wait until our jet heeled forwards and midfield get let loose on Pigpoker, Gwendolin and that excuse for a defence <grr>:steam:<whistle>
     
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  20. UnitedinRed

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    He made Rooney captain. So when he's fit he plays.

    I've called for Wilson many times. I wasn't one claiming Martial would be another Bebe. Just because I haven't declared Rooney the worst player of all time and blamed him for everything doesn't mean I want him playing.

    I just don't forget the ridiculous number of goals and everything else he's done for the side. I dont give a **** about the contract stuff either, Leave and others were doj g it long before Rooney. Doesn't diminish their careers.

    Rooney's still got something left in the tank, he needs to change his game. Either he plays as an out and out striker, no dropping deep at all, or he drops deeper permanently.

    While I'm at it, I was one of the few not losing my **** last season while the rest of you were blaming van Gaal for not playing Rooney up top. Another one of those, can't win situations.
     
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