All this talk of shots at goal yet Arsenal, the leaders have scored 3 more than us. If were not conceding, which tends to be the case, then we don't need loads of goals every game. By being solid at the back we have a frame work to build in each game.
There's nothing stupid in my statement. Van gaal prefers to play it safe rather than attack and u can rarely win the league playing like that. Just look at what arsenal did us. I know that could happen to any manager, but trust me against a fast attacking side we will struggle with the way van gaal sets up his team. Schneiderlin was one of the best midfielders in the league last season, schweinstergger is known for his ball retention and forward passes, likewise herrera. But under van gaal they all become too timid, afraid to lose the ball hence resort to sideway passes. I hate to say this, but van gaal is one of the reason di Maria flopped at united. I didn't say he is the only reason, but some of the blame should go to van gaal. Di Maria is not the kind of player that will be content with simple passes without penetration, he's always looking to go forward. He loses the ball no doubt, but that is also because his team mates were not playing to his level because van gaal ask them to play it safe. We need risk to win games.
Being solid at the back and not scoring will not get us 3 points. And against an attacking team we will struggle. Even if we have the best defence in the league, if we are not penetrating we will eventually be under pressure.
For a time? You serious? United have ALWAYS played attacking football with pace. Never said it was you by the way. Some halfwit masquerading as a United fan said it. While also making up the bit that I ever mentioned 4 4 2. I didn't. I just said quick football. Football that doesn't make we want to stick forks in my eyes. I don't care what the formation us.
Whatever else is said, we don't and haven't always played attacking football. We've always been a side that were willing to do what it takes to win. Sometimes that meant playing ugly.
Pretty much my thoughts. SAF left a squad which, whilst not as bad as everyone seems to claim, was too reliant on him to get them playing well. Moyes mismanaged far too many of those players and drove some to leave which left us in a hole. We needed an experienced manager to build the squad back up and steady the ship to put us in a position to challenge for the title with good attacking football. The analogy to Liverpool in the OP isn't too far wide of the mark tbh. We should be aiming to get a good young manager in with a good attacking philosophy to give us the kind of football we've gotten used to over the past 30 years. But that manager needs a good base to work from which we didn't have two years ago. That's the big mistake Liverpool have made imp - trying to go straight for the end product without decent planning and building. Benitez was a decent manager, similar to LVG in his approach to tactics and building the squad, albeit he wasted too much money and had obvious flaws which prevented a good tilt at the title. But then he stayed too long and undid all his decent work. At that point Liverpool should have gone for someone like LVG to build a decent squad and steady the ship, and prevent the haemorrhaging of talent. Instead they went for Dalglish just to please the fans, then dropped his poor squad in the hands of Rodgers who signed more ****e and now Klopp has been left with nowt. Appointing a decent manager after Hodgson would have given them a good base to hand over to Klopp, as LVG can do for his successor. Instead they tried to jump straight to the end product and have suffered a a result. Whereas we may be playing some boring ****e arm, but at least we can look forward to a combination of attacking football, good result and trophies in the future if we get the right man after LVG.
U seem to be forgetting something. We are unuted, not arsenal. Just so u know, West ham, southamption, Tottenham and Leicester have scored more than us.
No, we have. Maybe under Dave Sexton we were a bit crap but to say we've ever played pedestrian football like we are right now is flat out incorrect. Our current football is gash. It's a poor imitation of the stuff Arsenal used to **** themselves into a frenzy over while winning nothing and that was ****. It's not even that good. We've got so many talented players, he should let them loose.
Best comment ever. Van gaal should let the players lose, we are becoming the next arsenal of the past.
I know that. Southampton, spurs, Leicester, West ham are not title contenders, we are. Do u seriously think if we have a manager like simeone with the crop of player we have we would be playing like this? Week in week out we play a kind of football that is hurting to the eyes. Forget that we are currently 4th, our football has not been exciting ever since van gaal took over. Wasn't exciting during moye'ses time either, but he had the likes of fletcher, cleverley, nani, an ageing vidic and ferdinand and a rusty smalling to select. Van gaal has some of the best midfielders in the league but he's not letting them lose. Mata, herrera, schweinstergger, schneiderlin, martial are all genuine qualities.
I wasn't alive in the 70s but I've seen plenty of football from the time. Nobody played like the well organised defences you get today. 40/50 years ago, some tactics included every player charging forward. It was millions of miles from the game today. This is why the 80s fan argument doesn't wash either. Totally different game. Even the Arsenal side of a decade ago, didn't come up against sides with zero interest on winning. Chelsea brought that ultra defensive, cowardly act to the league and almost every side we play, adopts the tactic against it. Even City did so yesterday. Its got to the point where we are facing a brick wall game after game. Tbh, bring on Leicester, at least we know they will have a go.
Whilst our football is pretty slow and dull most of the time, the manager has put together a really good group of players. I hope we can win something in the remainder of his time here but if not I'll be satisfied that he fixed the damage done by Sir Alex leaving and Moyes lack of ability.
And look at what happened when we faced teams that are not a brick wall. Arsenal, psv, Wolfsburg, Swansea. It's only a matter of time before teams realise they don't need to be afraid of us
Like Simeone? Maybe like Klopp instead? Why not Wenger? Pardew? Why would we want an inferior manager anyway? Simeone is a defensive manager, the mourinho type too. So I guarantee you wouldn't be happy. You tell me how van Gaal is restricting the players. Not just your opinion. If you like, I could link you to around 50 different times he's said we need to take more risks, speeds up our play, stop over playing it or words to that effect. So maybe, just maybe, you're looking at it all wrong. When a team comes for a draw, you ain't getting the space to place 100mph football. You won't get to many chances to get round the back or counter as the team isn't bothered about winning. That's what we face, almost weekly. Some of these defences cost £200milliom and that doesn't include the 2 DM or 3rd centre back that was brought on. Even the best side ever, struggled to break down a bus of those proportions.
No doubt on that, he's assembling a really good squad. Makes it all the more annoying. I don't even mind the possession and passing 'philosophy', it's that it's done so slowly and obviously. We only need to up the tempo, try to get behind defences instead of playing in front of the opposition all the time. It's dull.
