Match Day Thread Special Match Preview: Sunderland AFC Vs Newcastle United

Been saying it for years, he's one of the league's worst defenders, unfortunately we suffer from a chronic lack of alternatives. Taylor is far superior but injured unfortunately.

 

Think Tim was hard done to myself mate. Imagine keeping a club up, almost winning a trophy, then having your 2 best players sold and replaced with 8 nobodies. Terribly run club.

 

Agreed for me. No handball and dive by Wijnaldum. However, there were about 3 occasions where it was a disgrace that Cattermole didn't get booked.

 

Poyet one of the favourites for the job.

 

Makes a change. Due to his past naughtiness often all he seems to have to do nowadays is to do a silent fart and the card comes out.

 

He only committed 3 fouls and there was hardly anything in any of them! As per the norm every foul by Cattermole is a yellow card! Tiote's first foul was worse than any of Cattermoles - as was his third (intentional push to the back of the head of one of our players) - But I suppose you miss that too

 

How comes after every game there's a list of people who should and should not have been yellow carded? Do you reckon fans used to do that 30-40 years ago? Fans calling players pansies do not have the right to come home and start barking about yellow cards that should/shouldn't have been... "Oooooh but inconsistent refereeing" **** off, it's boring, yellow cards ffs.

 

There has been no character assassination of your child, just you. Trust a mag to be too thick to realise.

 

You can't second guess the future for a decision for a free kick or pen like you can for a sending off though. The keeper DIDN'T have the ball when Fletcher was fouled. It was a foul because it wasn't two players coming together. Fletch was running at the ball, Colo was running at the player. If he maintain a path to the ball and used his shoulder it would have been a tackle, but he didn't do that, he was even looking at the player instead of the ball.

It was a Pen no doubt. Even Shearer thinks it was. The question is over the sending off. I don't think it was, but the ref may have thought that with their being no covering defender, and no guarantees the keeper would collect safely that he had to go. Harsh decision imo but no entirely a wrong decision, but it's satisfying in reason for it to not be rescinded imo. If it isn't rescinded it's because there was no covering defender at all.

Not seen the Kompany incident fella. Wanna shot it up?

 

"It was a foul because it wasn't two players coming together. Fletch was running at the ball, Colo was running at the player. If he maintain a path to the ball and used his shoulder it would have been a tackle, but he didn't do that, he was even looking at the player instead of the ball."

Totally agree - obviously I can't read Colo's mind but it looked like his sole intention was to take Fletcher out to remove any danger, no intention of going for the ball.

 

It was obvious the Newcastle players were trying to get Catts booked but in the end they were too blatant and obvious about it and it worked against them, all their whinging and rolling around looked ludicrous, even to a newbie ref. Mind Friend or Marriner or Twatkinson would have bought it, biased *unts

 

soft pen and a soft red, but I can't see it being rescinded as it wasn't a blatant mistake.

 

There wasn't a Kompany incident mate.

As far as I'm concerned, from my point of view, which isn't distorted by the team I support there's no red because there's no foul. It's not 'future' it's anticipation. The ball is in the 'keeper's gloves before Fletcher even hits the deck (which is what made me change my mind ref the decision). If he's being shoved over whilst travelling at say 18mph, he hits the deck in probably 0.3 of a second, so my opinion, and that's all it is, is that the keeper was getting it before Fletcher so there's no clear goal scoring opportunity. At that point, it becomes grey and the ref got it wrong.

I'd stick a months wage on it, that if Kompany does the exact same to Martial he gets applauded by all pundits and there's no foul or red card. Shearer doesn't know ****, he's a useless bald idiot who's never been in that position because he has the pace of a Leibherr excavator.

It wasn't an easy one to call, the ref has given the benefit of the doubt to the attacker and has no choice after that but to get the red card out. If he'd have booked 'Colo' you lot would have thrown the rule book at him.

 

My view isn't based on the Club I support, it's based on the incident. An incident many a NUFC including Shearer agrees with. If I was bias I would said the Red was right too. I resent the bias accusation to be honest fella. I say things how I see it, you know this. I follow the rules of the present game. Not the game 20 years ago, he was making no attempt to win the ball, he wasn't even running in the direction for the ball. His target was his opponent. Clear as day where I'm sat.

 

I knew that would get ya

Fair enough mate, that's your view... mine's different on this occasion. The appeal's gone in anyhow so if the trusty FA deem it wasn't a clear cut goalscoring opportunity then it wasn't a foul and the card will get rescinded.

 

But those aren't the rules mate, it doesn't have to be a goal scoring opportunity to give a penalty. That only applies to the sending off. I don't think it was a sending off. but it was a Pen all day long.

 

Like I say mate, this time we don't agree. The way I look at it, is that he's used excessive force and if Fletcher was getting the ball then yeah, foul because he's PREVENTED him doing something... he hasn't prevented Fletcher doing anything other than running down a lost cause... because the margins were so fine the ref had to make a judgement and you think he got it right (or half right) and I don't, it's cool.

 

There's been a lot said about the Sunderland performance in the first half and that's fair enough.

What people, especially Mags & the media, seem to be missing is that this was our first home game, and only our second game, with a new manager.

The team was in a terrible run of poor form and winless games with confidence at rock bottom.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect us to suddenly play a 'caution to the wind' expansive attacking game.

Especially against a team who won their last match in just that kind of open game with both teams attacking.

Newcastle, in McClaren's first half dozen games, were dreadful but have had time to adapt to new systems etc.

We went into the game without Borini then lost our captain and a midfield player in the first half an hour.

Full credit to Allardyce for not playing it safe and bringing Larsson on for Toivonen.

Defoe knew exactly where to play the ball so Fletcher could get away from Coloccini .......... you blew it McClaren, time to stop whinging.

 

At least you lot have got something to talk about after your frigging game, we had our neighbours turning up with the bus, if they'd offered us a point before the game we'd have probably shaken hands anyhow and just not bothered with the match!