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Isco in our sights, again.

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by Chelsea Pensioner, Oct 14, 2015.

  1. Chelsea Pensioner

    Chelsea Pensioner Well-Known Member

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    Would be a great buy but I'm not holding my breath. I think we have problems attracting really great players now, there are other clubs with just as much to offer as us, and some with more.
    Don't think Pedro would be encouraging players to come to us, he can see we are struggling for creativity. Good thing we tied down Hazard, he must be having second thoughts about his future as our only go to man. We need someone to run the midfield, and have done for 3 years. Why are we still pouncing around with wingers?
     
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  2. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    No way they are selling Isco.
     
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  3. GazFormidable

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    I thought he played central only?

    Anyway, where did you see this?
     
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  4. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    1. Rubbish, we pay good wages, are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, PL champions and play in London.
    Players are not stupid. Eight bad games will not put them off a dream move to a top city on good wages

    2. Again, pure speculation and reactionary rubbish. Hazard was player of the year last season and won the double. Again, Eight bad games will not put Haza off a very successful career move.

    3. We have needed a decent midfield for more than three years. Three years ago it was an ageing Lampard, Mikel and Meirelles. Four years ago it was a crocked Essien Lamps Mikel etc. Have you lost all faith in Matic who ran our midfield very well for 12 months

    4. Isco is not a winger
     
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  5. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    He can play wide attacker but he is more central and definitely not a winger.Think CP has been on the sauce again. He says Isco would be a great buy, but then completely contradicts himself saying why are we pouncing [sic] around with wingers??
     
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  6. Chelsea Pensioner

    Chelsea Pensioner Well-Known Member

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    Right, not for the first time, you have completely missed my point.

    1. What I said was we are not the ONLY big Club anymore and the great players have more choice now, so we are now having trouble attracting REALLY GREAT players, i.e., the last 2 years for example.

    2. Hazard is constantly linked with Barcelona, but of course I am speculating, that's what the forum is about. If you think he will be happy doing all the work week in and week out, then good for you, I don't. That's not "reactionary rubbish" that's just an opinion. What's reactionary is your cocksure response.

    3. I have not lost faith in Matic, but Matic is a defensive CM and NOT the man to take control and add the attacking flair someone like Isco does.

    4. I never said Isco was a winger, I said we need someone like him to get the midfield working. The reference to wingers was Jose going to watch Yanmolenko and Jese Rodrigues, who I understand are wingers? if you didn't know that, perhaps you need to read more of the tabloids and red tops you seem to use as your default attack position?
     
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  7. Chelsea Pensioner

    Chelsea Pensioner Well-Known Member

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    On a Spanish web site, and he does play central, my reference to wingers did not mention Isco.
     
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  8. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    1. When were the ONLY big club?
    Real and Barca have always been a more attractive proposition than Chelsea and remain so.
    How do players have more choice now than two years ago.
    Two years ago, Real, Barca were the first choice clubs of many players. Followed by Bayern maybe. Then possibly Chelsea and City and United.
    How has that changed in two years?

    2. You are constantly speculating about Hazard. Last year you said he was not happy under Jose and he became player of the year

    3. Isco is not really a classic 'controlling' pivot player such as Carrick Pirlo, Fabregas first half of last season.
    Is this the sort of player you are talking about

    4. You did not mention 'yanlomenko' in your OP. ' Rodrigues' is not just a winger and can play no 10, false no 9


    Your knowledge of football, and in particular our club, is embarrassing.

    Are you even a Chelsea fan?

    And your reactionary posts to a manager watching merely a game of football are juvenile.

    I thought Fev was harsh on you the other day, but when you post ill-informed rubbish like this I am not so sure
     
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  9. Chelsea Pensioner

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    When Jose first came to us and we spent really big, we were the most attractive Club to all of the great players we went after. If we wanted them we got them. That was the case until recently, when players we chased started going elsewhere.
    Someone who knows as much as you do about Chelsea will surely have that list of players somewhere. Clubs like Man City and PSG and even Man Utd regularly match or beat our offers now and are getting some of the players we chase.That's in addition to Real and Barca, who are well, just bigger Clubs full stop, and Bayern who attract top players because of their Manager. If you can"t see that you need to go to Specsavers.
    I am not "constantly" speculating about Hazard, I mention him far less than you and your beloved Red tops and Tabloids. It's a pretty tenuous link you ask us to follow about Hazard becoming player of the year. Last year Hazard said he wasn't happy, but perhaps you know more that he does, maybe you could ask him? I also made no mention this time about Hazard being unhappy with Jose, that came from you. I said he might become unhappy doing all the work (because we can't get in players to help him.) Slightly different from your "reactionary rubbish " comment, I would suggest.
    Isco is exactly the type of player I am talking about, and your description of a "classic controlling player" well that's your opinion.
    I didn't think I needed to mention the wingers Jose was scouting, I assumed someone with even modest knowledge of all things Chelsea would be all over that, silly me.
    Sorry you are easily embarrassed, I have confidence in both my knowledge of football and the Club, but no doubt that would pale into insignificance compared to yours.
    Iv'e been a Chelsea fan long enough not to be offended by dumb comments like that. Bottom feeder stuff.
    There's that word again , why is everything "reactionary" in your world?
    I couldn't give a toss about Fevs' attacks on me, or yours for that matter, but at least he's not a self professed know all.
    You are rapidly becoming another of those posters who just can"t disagree without resorting to personal abuse, and I can't be bothered with that.
     
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  10. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    1 Gerrard, Henry, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi, Kaka, Eto'o, Nesta, Ibra, Lahm.... yep they were all superb at Chelsea, weren't they, under Jose v1

    2. You said things have changed in the past two years (since 2013). As I said earlier, City have been beating us to targets since 2011, PSG since 2011 etc. Their financial muscle has been around a lot longer than 2 years as has Bayern's and United's. Which players in particular have City Bayern and PSG beaten us to in the last two years?

    3. Provide some evidence... quotes etc
     
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  11. george the blue

    george the blue Active Member

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    Cp.

    Just stop.

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    "When Jose first came to us and we spent really big, we were the most attractive Club to all of the great players we went after. If we wanted them we got them. That was the case until recently, when players we chased started going elsewhere.
    Someone who knows as much as you do about Chelsea will surely have that list of players somewhere. Clubs like Man City and PSG and even Man Utd regularly match or beat our offers now and are getting some of the players we chase.That's in addition to Real and Barca, who are well, just bigger Clubs full stop, and Bayern who attract top players because of their Manager. If you can"t see that you need to go to Specsavers."

    Tripe. What reasonable target have we missed out on? Recently? Neymar? Real/barca wanted him we werent going to get him. Pogba? 80 mill was too much. Nobody agrees with you. You are wrong on this one, cfc are an attractive club to go to. Thats why when the cl winners lose players they come to us. Thats why when la liga champions lose players they come to us. Thats why when young players are available in chile brazil etc. They come to us knowing theyll never play at the bridge.

    2. You didnt know where isco played or the type of player he is. Just drop it eat crowe and leave it alone.

    3. Hazard wasnt unhappy last year, thats why he signed a contract. Stop saying things that arent true.
     
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  12. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    He just makes big superficial statements without any detail to back it up. He has no idea who Isco even is.

    He claims the great players have stopped signing for us in the past two years and go to Bayern City PSG and United.

    We never signed the top tier of players: they go to Real and Barca, eg Suarez, Neymar, Bale, Rodriguez, Kroos in the past two years or so... same as it ever was.


    Few if any have made it to United PSG or City over us.

    The only 'great' players we have 'missed out' on to City are: Aguero... 2011... FOUR years ago. Toure .... 2010 .... FIVE years ago.

    PSG: Ibra and Thiago Silva.... were we ever in for them? THREE years ago

    Bayern: Ribery .... 2007, EIGHT years ago. Gotze and Lewandowski were always going to stay in Germany.


    Modric to Real FOUR years ago

    United: No 'great players' have signed for them over us I can recall, eg Haza and Fab came to us.

    The only 'great player' we missed out on recently was Vidal to Bayern, who we were not even in for. I also think we should have gone for Khedira to help Matic.
     
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  13. Stan

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    To be fair CP is right in that Player of the Month Tony "the Assassin" Martial turned Chelsea down to come to United, despite Chelsea offering Monaco more money than United did. It's understandable as the lad didn't fancy going out on loan to Reading before being sold to Middlesbrough.
     
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    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    <laugh>

    Correct.

    Apart from the fact Chelsea reject ;) Mata was September Player of the Month
     
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  15. Stan

    Stan Stalker

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    Mata was only United's player of the month. Tony The Assassin was everyone's player of the month - http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34547130
     
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    Surely that makes Martial a great player then. <laugh>
     
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  17. Chelsea Pensioner

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    And Pogba
    OK

    Point 1. Most of the players you mention as, you yourself say, were Real or Barcelona players, and I never included those teams as teams we were competing with for signings, in fact I said the opposite. I am simply talking about the more recent history we have of not getting players we made serious bids for. In the course of trying to justify my original post to you, I also made 2 points, one, Clubs OTHER than Real and Barca are now getting players we want, as compared to earlier years. You apparently agree with this one minute then try and make out it's wrong the next. I also said players we want are turning us down. You are arguing that I am wrong on both counts.
    First you say City and PSG have been beating us since 2011, which is precisely my point, and in my original post I said "recently ", Is 2011 not "recent " in the Abramovich era?
    In a later post l said in 2 years we had been turned down by players we were after, I did not say we were 'beaten to" those players. You said that. They are 2 different points that you have turned into one. We were turned down by , Pogba, Koke, Stones, Nathaniel Clyne, Martial, Jack Butland, Yushinovo Muto and Kranaric, and that's off the top of my head.
    Compare this to who we used to get, Duff, Makelele, Cech Courtois, Lampard, Robben, Ferriera, Drogba, Essien Carvalho, Ivanovic, Matic, Sturridge, Lukaku, Schurrle, Ashley Cole, Mata ( another Player of the Year, even when he was unhappy)
    My point is a simple one, we are NOT as attractive to players as we once were, and I will be happily surprised if Isco agrees to join us.
    You are insulting only your self by saying I don't even know who Isco is, what a midfielder does, and that I am 'not even a Chelsea fan". I never said Isco was a winger either, I was actually making the point that while we are desperate for a midfielder of Iscos qualities, Jose is out watching more wingers. I would have though most well informed fans would have understood that, that's my mistake.
    Stop trying to be so pedantic and look at the message.
     
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  18. Diego

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    Isco has just started to show his ability at Madrid, I would be very surprised if he moved anywhere by choice at the moment.
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Isco will look at Mata, Fabregas, Costa (and probably Oscar too) and think, why the fck would I go to Chelsea.
     
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    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Did you forget Pedro? easy to do as most people have :bandit:
     
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