Well this charmer, who is wanted for a murder in my 'backyard' at the weekend, appears to be an exception. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34524850
Agreed - the position is even more acute in the US because the ease in obtaining guns, particularly automatic hand guns
A I think you have a highly poisonous cocktail in the USA. where the availability of guns is just the icing on the cake. We always talk about gun controls after shootings but seldom about the steady exposure of young people to senseless violence on the media or in the internet and the effects of this. American TV. truly is the worst in the World where it comes to gratuitous violence - also, so many of these mass shootings have come after the advent of the internet for all, could there be a connection ? Add to this that the Americans have had hundreds of thousands of soldiers returning from wars, trained killers, many of whom have had PTSD (Post traumatic stress disorder) - also black people are over represented in the American army. I saw a couple of statistics recently - the regular size of the British Army is 89,000 ie. less than 1 in 600 of the overall population. The percentage of prisoners who have spent some time in the army is 1 in 10 - which brings to mind the story of Harry Roberts, who, according to his own admission, first acquired a taste for killing in Malaya and revelled when the order came through to shoot prisoners. How many others first learned to kill in this way ? Add to this the racial tensions in the USA. and the immense differences between rich and poor and the picture is complete. But why is nearly all of this type of violence committed by men - is there some kind of masculinity crisis involved ? I do not believe that the problem revolves only around the availability of guns - the Swiss also have access to weapons, several other countries in Europe as well, but the results are different.
Interesting post, and a lot that's valid. The fact is that most of the mass shootings are done by kids. Kids that haven't been in the army or in prison. Kids that have led a regular life at school and at home, where guns are a part of normal life, and they played their violent First Person Shooter games from a young age. Kids that for some reason feel slighted or disrespected by someone at their school and are prepared - here's the scary bit - to sacrifice their own life in order to have revenge. They have no respect for their own life, value it little, so won't spend time valuing other lives more... Why? I can't give you an answer - may be it's immaturity. At that moment in their lives, revenge is sweeter than life itself
Murders by firearms in Switzerland are 33% of the rate in the US, but nearly 150% higher than the UK. Attacks with the device used to remove stones from hosrses hooves on their sweet little knives are relatively rare though.
I don't know where you get these figures from sb. In 2014, Switzerland had 41 murders - 0.49 per 100,000 population. The UK. figure for the same period was 0.92 per 100,000 - so the UK. homicide rate was around double. It may be that the British rate didn't involve only guns - but I don't think that made much difference to the victims.
Cologne, you talk a load of bollocks. The Black on Black killings in the US are mostly committed by young out of work 17 to 25 year olds. I am almost sure that almost none of them have ever been in the army.
Before wading in with insults could you enlighten us all with some statistics, if you have them, together with the source. Are 'black on black' killings the majority of homicides, for example - because I do not think that such a figure could be released on grounds of racial incitement. Also, what age group do the majority of murderers belong to ? (and by this I do not mean only mass shootings in colleges).
Problem with blaming the internet, games and TV (not getting into the PST issue here) is that a lot of countries have the same stuff but don't have anywhere near the same issue. Michael Moore can be a total twat at times but Bowling for Columbine is a very worthy watch
I'm not looking for one single thing and saying 'that is the cause' the sort of murder rate which the USA has can only come from an accumulation of many different sources. I have never lived in the USA and so cannot judge what family life is like there - is the American family still intact as an institution for example ? My feeling comparing eg. Germany and the UK. is that there are differences on this - looking at the expansive shop opening hours in the UK. does not suggest that the 'family' weekend is valued much there. Just a small thing I know, but all of these things add up.
There's a video released recently - on TV yesterday - by the parents of two young English men who, while high on prescriptive and illegal drugs, made the video while driving at 90mph down a suburban road at night. The video records the last moments of their lives before their car hit the wall of a churchyard. Obviously, what they were doing was madness - and drug dis-inhibited them. But I'm willing to bet, both grew up getting behind a pc monitor each night and racing simulated cars in manic fashion. I do think pc-type games have a significant influence on the minds of some youngsters.
New Data: It’s Still about Black-on-Black Crime by Heather Mac Donald December 11, 2014 7:12 PM The FBI has just released its supplemental homicide data for 2012, including the numbers of interracial killings. These are highly relevant for the current rallying cry that “black lives matter.” Unfortunately, the FBI continues its usual practice of combining whites and Hispanics into the single category “white,” thus overstating white crime and victimization rates. Even so, the data are telling. A “white” homicide victim is over twice as likely to be killed by a black than a black homicide victim is to be killed by a “white.” Sixteen percent of “white” victims in homicide incidents involving a single victim and single offender were killed by blacks, compared with only 7 percent of black victims who are killed by “whites.” Given the fact that blacks are less than 13 percent of the national population, their homicide rate against whites and Hispanics combined is vastly disproportionate to their share of the population. There were 431 black killers of “whites,” compared to 193 “white” killers of blacks. Undoubtedly a large percentage of interracial killings involve gang killings among black and Hispanic gangs; the number of non-Hispanic whites who kill blacks is undoubtedly far lower than 193. (The number of non-Hispanic whites killed by blacks is also presumably lower than 431.) Blacks are also disproportionately represented among cop killers. In 2013, blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known. It is tempting to say in response to this latest data, drearily repetitive of everything that went before it, that “white lives matter.” Of course that would be racist. But it is precisely in response to the disproportionate criminality among the black population that the police are deployed in much higher numbers in black neighborhoods, where they are trying to save innocent lives. There are thousands of law-abiding inner-city blacks who live by bourgeois values and who need protection from criminals. Only the police are willing to provide that protection. Their mantra could be “black lives matter.” The 200 or so reported killings of blacks by police officers — nearly all justified — pale in comparison to the 6,000 or so killings of blacks by other blacks. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ll-about-black-black-crime-heather-mac-donald
ok. thanks for the info. however I don't see how this is in any way relevant to my original text which made no reference to the race of either victim or murderer. Also, there is nothing about age here. One point though - in the UK. such statistics would be forbidden because there it would be illegal to mention the racial origins of perpetrators of crime. The fact that this is not the case in the USA tells us a great deal. Also missing is any kind of socio economic statistic ie. people of Afro American descent are more likely to be found in those lower income groups which have higher crime rates.
I should have found something with shorter words a no numbers over 10 so you could understand the statistics.
yeah, Socio economics are always left out when there's a racial agenda. Race rarely has much to do with it, truth be told, they're just poor people with no prospects. Take a look at our inner city crime rates, the majority of Scousers are white, the majority of glaswegians are white, they have the worst crime rates and worst substance abuse in the country, because they are poor and have no future.
That's surprising, I though all those who commit the most crimes were white middle class men with University degrees!!!
True, but despite coming from true poverty, the old Glaswegian and Cockney gangs had a code of ethics at least, as did the Mafia in the US. If you look at black crime in the US, particularly black on black, life is held incredibly cheap - you can be shot for saying the wrong thing in a game of cards or being in the wrong area or looking at someone the wrong way. If disrespect is even imagined by a perpetrator, there's a shoot first, think later (if at all) approach by some youths that appear psychopathic in their approach
[QUOTE="Busy Being Headhunted, post: 8474285, member: 1019603" Very rarely find white British men with a knife.[/QUOTE] Not true, we have several murders a year in my local town, and not once can I remember a gun being used. West Scotland has a truly horrific catalogue of knife crime, but a very low incidence of gun crime, mainly just the "big boys" taking each other out in turf disputes. As for Glaswegian gangs code of ethics, that went out the window when smack n coke came onto the streets.
