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LFC Cricket Bashing Thread

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Red Hadron Collider, May 15, 2013.

  1. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Not a quickie, he has come in from an angle a quickie just couldn't manage
     
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  2. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    I know he is, I listed reasons above.. <doh>
     
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  3. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    #You just stated he could be bowling a cutter <doh> <doh> <laugh>
     
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  4. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    I stated if you look only at the fingers then you could say that's a quicker bowling a cutter.... But if you look at everything like body position and arm then he's clearly a spinner....

    or he's got a ****ed up action and is about to launch it 90mph
     
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  5. Law 24, Clause 3 of the Cricket rule book defines a fair delivery with respect to the arm:

    A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand. This definition shall not debar a bowler from flexing or rotating the wrist in the delivery swing.

    This law clearly spells out that the bowler should not straighten his arm during the course of action of bowling a delivery starting from the point when his arm has reached the level of the shoulder. Tests conducted in the 1990s in England revealed that during a delivery virtually all bowlers flex and extend their arms naturally to some degree as it rotates around the shoulder. This testing revealed that the strict Laws of Cricket which banned any flexing of the arm were impossible to follow. ICC then set the permissible limits of bending at 10 degrees for fast bowlers, 7.5 degrees for medium pacers and 5 degrees for spinners.

    However it was found that majority of the bowlers (including a few greats) who seemed to have perfectly clean actions were actually going beyond the set limits. This forced the ICC to further increase the permissible limit to 15 degrees and it stands at this currently.

    The part that some people get wrong is that they think that the bowler's arm should not be bent beyond 15 degrees at the point of delivery. This is incorrect as the law clearly states that the arm should not straighten by an angle more than 15 degrees during the course of action of a delivery. This means that if at the point when your arm is at the level of your shoulder your arm is bent by 30 degrees and at the point of delivery if it is bent by 20 degrees, then you have only straightened your arm by 10 degrees and therefore it is a valid delivery.

    What this means is that single side on pictures of bowlers who seem to have bent arms while delivering the ball are useless in determining if the ball is valid or not. However two pictures, one taken at the point when the arm is at shoulder height and one taken at the point of delivery should give a reasonable idea, even though that again is not conclusive enough since a bowler's arm essentially moves in 3 dimensions and his entire body would've covered a distance during the course of action of the delivery, not to forget that the position of the shoulder itself would've changed. This outlines why it is hard to detect an invalid bowling action by the naked eye even with the help of replays.

    Finding a pictorial representation on the web proved to be a hard task therefore here is a video depicting Muttiah Muralitharan's action.

    As explained by Simon Hughes in the video, the difference between the two marked angles should be less than 15 degrees. At the time that Murali was reported for a suspect action, the permissible extension stood at 5 degrees for spinners.

    There is an interesting caveat for some bowlers who exhibit hyperextension of the arm. For such bowlers, the arm when at shoulder height is bent beyond the elbow and then straightens by a negative angle at the point of delivery. For such bowlers the absolute difference counts. Shoaib Akhtar, Lasith Malinga and RP Singh are some of them who have prominent hyperextension.

    During bowling action, Bowlers' arm must not extend(bend) above 15 degree.
    The action can be due to rotation of shoulders but not extension(bend) of arms.
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    Any deviation from this limit means the bowler has thrown the ball and not bowled it.(illegal/chucking)

    here is an image (left shows the bend and right shows normal delivery) of different actions of Saeed Ajmal

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    If the bowler can prove using testing techniques that his arm is be default (by birth) bent at an angle greater than 15 degree, the relative angle of bend will be considered (the position he keeps when bowling still vs the position he releases the ball)
     
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  6. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    **** me <yikes> Greez getting all crickety on us <yikes>
     
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  7. Told you before that I used to play cricket, just bores the pants off me watching it <laugh>
     
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  8. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    You're one weird **** <laugh>
     
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  9. Since that's coming from you, I'll take it as a compliment <laugh>
     
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  10. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    Point remains, if he doesn't straighten his arm when he delivers the ball it makes no difference how bent it is <ok>
     
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  11. The C&P I posted says it does. If the arm is bent then it should be more than 15 degrees.

    However, I initially posted that picture because when I was at school, we were always told you wasn't allowed to bend your arm. Of course, we were never taught spin bowling either.
     
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  12. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    No, what you copy and pasted stated that you can't bend your arm and straighten it more than 15 degrees. If you bend your arm 30 degrees in delivery action and it's still vent at 30 degrees at release point then it's perfectly fine.
     
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  13. Fair enough. obviously, I only scan read it, no chance I'm reading all that <laugh>
     
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  14. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    I didn't read any of it... I just know the law :bandit:
     
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  15. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    FFS <doh> Three easy chances dropped by England against Pakistan. Two by Ian Bell. I think it is now time for him to go. That's ****ing inexcusable at this level. Pakistan well in front after day 1 <doh>
     
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  16. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    How the **** are the ashes still going? I knew the games were long but this is bloody ridiculous.
     
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  17. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid Forum Moderator

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    Didn't realise game had come around so quick. Thought it was next week.

    Not or good day by looks of it, can't see us doing much in this tour, always struggle on these pitches and Pakistan are unbeaten in uae I believe.
     
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  18. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Three dropped ****ing dollies don't help <grr>
     
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  19. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Shut your silly rip.
     
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  20. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Cricket's going really well <doh>
     
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