Not exactly but if an employer has a choice of equally qualified people, one of whom is a convicted rapist, who do you expect them to hire?
I agree with this but Oldham's behaviour was so far away from the norm people were surely entitled to tell them so.
Whoever was best suited to the position. In this case, it was felt that Evans was. But thanks to rent -a- mob, they had to back off.
"Not exactly but if an employer has a choice of equally qualified people, one of whom is a convicted rapist, who do you expect them to hire?" His crime doesn't affect his ability to do his profession. Yet it does bring unwanted negative publicity on him and his employer, and on a manner and scale not likely to be experienced in other professions.
Good posts For me the problem with the laws around the subject are that they are not nearly as black and white as you might think and hope. In cases where either the act itself, or the amount of alcohol/other substances consumed (such as to make any consent given at the time legally void) cannot be proven to have happened due to passage of time, it becomes a highly subjective judgement when judging what actually happened. Regarding his future employment, my guess is that if a club took him on then they have some liability towards his actions when he is in his role as a club player. If he as a representative of the club were to commit another crime then the club would face huge problems (potentially even legal action?) as to why they took him back on in the first place and allowed him to position himself to commit a similar crime to that which he had been convicted for. I think that if the club are aware of his past convictions, then they have an element of liability for him. I could well be wrong but regardless there are reputations at stake too.
I can't decide. He's been a complete idiot, at best. If that is the case the ending of his footballer career is unbelievably harsh. Not the mention the time he did. I also wouldn't want him at Spurs (assuming he was good enough) The mob stuff was too much, but then they just didn't want him at their club like i wouldn't want him at Spurs. No wonder there is no decent outcome on this. I fear that regardless of whether he is acquitted or not that his footballing career is over.
As Luke pointed out, these self appointed, self righteous moral guardians are the same people who were issuing threats of violence against Evans and his family. Apparently, these seemingly morally outraged people can't even see the irony in that?..
Prior to doing jury duty, I felt the same way but having sat on a jury for a not too dissimilar case, I feel I can understand better how that decision could have come about. Within each charge there are a number of criteria that the prosecution have to convince you of before you can give a guilty verdict. I don't know what the exact criteria in this case would've been but I'd imagine whether the defendents could have reasonably believed her to have given consent or something along those lines were in there. Again, I don't know the exact details from the night but had this woman and Ched's friend hit it off when they were sober(ish) and had he believed she was still sober enough to consent when they'd agreed to head back to his place(hotel, I think) it could be very possible to find that Ched's friend could reasonably have felt she was consenting. Then Ched, who may not have really spoken much to her or had any indications that she was consenting until the very end of the night after she'd already had sex with his friend and was most likely more intoxicated than at any previous point in the night, very possibly could not be found to have reasonably believed she was consenting. The laws of consent aren't as extreme as some people believe. You can get hammered with your girlfriend and then have sex without it being rape. The consent can come earlier on in time, implied or explicit, what's key often key is what's reasonably to be believed. So chatting up a girl in a club, having a good time and going home with her is likely to be seen as you reasonably believing there's consent. Finding a pissed up girl half passed out at a bus stop and taking her back to your place is quite obviously unlikely to be considered reasonable for you to believe consent was/could be given. And obviously the girl, or guy, in both scenarios has the right to deny consent at any point in either of those series of events but we all know that. People go on about the grey areas but if you're a decent person I doubt you'd ever find yourself anywhere near those grey areas anyway. I don't know the details of Evans' conviction or the grounds for his appeal, I'm just speculating on potential circumstances for the jury to have found one guilty whilst the other was found innocent. The problem for Evans in terms of finding new employment is that he hasn't accepted the verdict or that he acted wrongfully in anyway. Now, if his appeal is successful and his conviction is quashed then he clearly has a right to not have accepted any wrongdoing. If his conviction is upheld then he needs to listen to what the appeal judge says, listen to what the judge of his original case said and understand that he was in the wrong and apologise properly. Until either of those outcomes you can understand why he isn't going to get hired without people kicking up a fuss. You wouldn't expect anyone high profile that has been convicted of a serious crime to slip straight back into normal life without showing any remorse and even then they likely will have difficulty getting another high profile job. I'm sure no one would be happy to work with a convicted rapist and that is what Ched Evans is for the time being.
Ted Bundy genuinely felt he was innocent of the multiple offences he was found guilty of...despite eyewitnesses and dental identification that placed him at the scene of a triple rape/murder...on top of the 30+ murders he was linked to beforehand. The fact is that being released on license is not the same as serving his sentence, yet that is what he tried to say he had done. If he had spent the remaining 2+ years of his sentence volunteering to help underprivileged children in his community and kept his gob shut, he would not have faced a tenth of the backlash that he did.
I did say genuinely believed. Bundy was a psychopathic loon, there's no evidence that Evans is. Possibly. However, I suspect the backlash is because he's a pro footballer. If a similar offender tried to return to work at his local supermarket after committing a a like offense, I don't think there'd be a mob outside trying to stop him and threatening violence against his family.
Totally. The backlash is/was more severe because people were thinking "why should this rapist take home per week what i earn per month?"
'Arry talking some sees, IMO, especially the bit about transfer committees. Always the manager who carries the can!... Premier League Brendan pays the price for transfer mistakes Manager deserved more time but something was going on behind the scenes that caused exit By Harry Redknapp I feel desperately sorry for Brendan, it is too soon for him to be sacked after eight games, but it does seem to have been coming for weeks. For me, though, he has taken the blame for other people at Liverpool. In the modern game, it never seems to be the manager who signs the players, it is just the manager who takes the blame when things do not work out. It happens all the time and it is exasperating sometimes. Managers do not have the same say on transfers that they used to, but they are still expected to take the blame if the signings do not work out. They have these transfer committees, but it is only the manager who sticks his head above the parapet and he is the one who gets shot at. The other lot just stay in the background, out of sight, but they have huge power. The only time you ever hear from them is when one of the players signed becomes a huge success. I’ve been around scouts for long enough to know they only ever want to talk about the ones that work out. If you remind them about the players they recommended who were rubbish, they do not want to know. I do not think Brendan has signed those new players at Liverpool. They’ve brought in players from Brazil and I do not think he will have known much about them. He’s just been told they’re coming and he has to get the best out of them. It is the same thing at Sunderland and Newcastle. It is the same at Tottenham, it had gone that way before I left Spurs and it has continued since I left, first under Villas-Boas, now Pochettino. When you look at Newcastle and Sunderland, you see the problems that management structure can create. The managers do not sign the players, they leave that to someone else or it is a decision made by a committee, but it is the managers who take the blame when results are not good enough. Those two clubs are bottom of the table, but still stick with this way of doing things. It is the way football has gone, it happens all over the place. As for Brendan, the pressure has been building and building and there is no doubt in my mind that he has lost his job because there are two managers out of work in Carlo Ancelotti and Jurgen Klopp, who all the big clubs would be interested in. It made a difficult job at Liverpool even harder. He hasn’t been sacked because Liverpool drew at Everton. I thought that was a good result away from home in a derby match. There has been something going on behind the scenes and I’m sure Brendan will have heard whispers on the grapevine. When you get the sack, there has always been something going on behind your back and I reckon that is the case this time. For me, either Klopp or Ancelotti will come in and replace him. It is tough on Brendan, though. He has lost his best players. They were desperately unlucky not to win the Premier League a couple of years ago and I would have loved it if Liverpool had won the title that year. They deserved to win it. Since then, Brendan has lost Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge has been injured, Steven Gerrard has left and Raheem Sterling has left. Any manager would struggle with out players of that quality. Any team would struggle if you took their four best players out. You can’t afford to lose your best players one after the other. You see Manchester City the other week, they had their four best players out against Tottenham and they lost 4-1. No manager can cope with that sort of thing happening to his team. Sturridge has been injured and he is just coming back, but you cannot replace someone like Suarez. You knew, every week what you were going to get from him and he was just one of those players who would cause you problems every time you faced him. He’s probably up there in the top five players in the world now and he was a huge part of Liverpool’s success. Liverpool have spent a lot of money, I get that. They sold Suarez and they have sold Sterling for big money and they have reinvested that money in the team, but I do not think Brendan deserved to go so soon into the season. I think they’ve got a wonderful chance of finishing in the top four this season. The thing that will frustrate him is that those new players may well go on to benefit the next manager. They will settle in England and they will get used to the Premier League. It takes time to get them settled into a new team, but Liverpool haven’t given Brendan that time. It is tough on him, but I’m sure it won’t be long until he gets another job. The problem is, those big jobs like Liverpool, they do not come around very often. That was his dream job and he’s lost it. Swipe between articles
This policy of signing players that the manager might not necessarily want, but is expected to get the best from, is flawed. I could reel off a list of the greatest British managers. Name me one who would have stood for any players he didn't want being signed and playing in his team?
Can't have it both ways. He was happy enough to bask in their glory of their nearly title win so can't dodge the blame when they flop back to where they were in his first season. If they'd bought really well last summer and won the league you wouldn't see the scouts going up to lift the trophy, it'd be Rodgers and his players. Anyway, even if they spent too much on some players they were clearly all still the type of players to fit into what Brendan wanted. His high pressing game isn't too dissimilar too Pochettino's yet he failed to get much out of Lallana, Lovren, Clyne and Lambert. Where Brendan gets and deserves his blame is that he failed to find a successful formula despite having a season and a quarter to work on finding a way to win without Suarez. He didn't stick with any plan, some weeks it was 4 at the back, some weeks it was 3, he played Sterling in about 6 different positions, he tried out several different options upfront and the plans never worked. As a manager you have to take bold decisions and you have to be able to stick with them because you know you're in the right. Brendan was going through a list of half-formed ideas that he'd written down and crossing them off as they each failed one by one and he had to ditch them. Look at Pochettino with Dier, he wasn't deterred by his poor preseason in midfield, or his poor first couple of games, he stuck with him in midfield and for the moment at least it looks like it's paying off. Pochettino has made mistakes too, all managers do but knowing when to stick with a plan and when to ditch the plan is what makes a great manager. Rodgers didn't have the conviction to see any of his plans through so we'll never know whether them might have actually come good and that's his fault.
Quite aside from who picks the players and how well they do, IMO a big factor is simply how many are signed each year. My memory is that about four good ones is about right, and six or more are definitely too many, at least if they’re prospective starters. When you have a team that is as much newcomers as it is team, you’re in trouble. You need to make them a team, you don’t have much time and it’s not really clear where you begin. If you have four players on the field who need to execute a passing sequence, and one of them is new, it’s easy to tell the new player what he has to do. If two are new you may not know who you need to tell what, and you may spend time reconsidering whether you want to do that sequence with those two players it may not suit. It happened to us with the Bale signings and it’s happened to Liverpool two years running. That’s why I regularly cast aspersions on predictions for a sunny Liverpool year before the season began. If you leave people alone for a while, you’ll give them the time they need to figure out how to do their jobs. Keep chopping and changing, and they can’t.
Perhaps Spurs PL table position is in fact proportional to the Poool summer spend (I will check the data) . If so, you Mousers keep spending like there is no tomorrow !!!
Redknapp with a rather self-serving and history editing article there, I feel. The man took a job as a Director of Football at Portsmouth, so I always find it hard to read this sort of thing from him with a straight face. That his best spell in management took place under the system that he's criticising is also hard to ignore. I don't remember him pointing out to the press that most of his best players at Spurs weren't his signings, either. The manager may get stick for poor players brought in by others, but he also gets credit if they work out. One sentence in particular stuck out for me. The one about Liverpool bringing in Brazilians that the manager hasn't seen much of. Was he intentionally alluding to Sandro joining us or is that a happy coincidence?
