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Off Topic Council plans to fill in remains of historic Beverley Gate in Hull opposed

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    At the Council meeting on Friday, it was confirmed that two new proposals were being put forward for consideration, though it wasn't made clear what these two proposals involved. Disappointingly, the Council would not confirm that filling it in completely had been binned as an option, they do themselves no favours.
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    It looks like Beverley Gate won't be sorted by the start of 2017, but pretty much everything else will be...

    95% of Hull city centre facelift will be ready for City of Culture 2017

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    NINETY-five per cent of the looming city centre facelift should be completed before the end of next year, councillors have been told.

    It means the majority of streets identified in the public realm programme will be revamped in time for the start of Hull's year as the 2017 UK City of Culture.

    Main contractor Eurovia has set up a compound in Ferensway ahead of the first works starting later this month.

    Yesterday, scrutiny councillors heard from senior officers at the authority over continuing preparations for the makeover and 2017 itself.

    Garry Taylor, the council's director for major projects and infrastructure, said: "We are confident 95 per cent of the public realm work will be completed by December next year.

    "Apart from Beverley Gate and a few bits and pieces here and there, the city will open for business come January 2017 barring any kind of disaster or a very bad winter.

    "Touch wood, neither of those will happen."

    Mr Taylor said a finalised programme of scheduled works was expected to be ready by the end of next week.

    The regeneration work will see entire streets being repaved, fountains and water features installed in Queen Victoria Square and Trinity Square, new lighting to illuminate many of the city centre's historic buildings and a series of public art installations.

    In Trinity Square, most of the Victorian-era boundary walls at Holy Trinity Church are also being removed as part of a new-look public space.

    Councillor Sean Chaytor said it was vital that timelines for when work was due to start and finish were made public to keep people up to date with the progress of the facelift.

    "I believe we need clear timelines and milestones so we all know where we are.

    "They will allow us to give reassurances to residents and others so there will not be any misunderstandings."

    Businesses and traders in the city centre are being consulted on a one-to-one basis to establish their needs during the work.

    It is likely access to some areas will be severely limited during some periods with diversions for pedestrians expected.

    Similarly, buses will be rerouted away from part of Prospect Street, King Edward Street and Jameson Street when that area becomes a new traffic-free pedestrian zone.

    Trish Dalby, the council's director of strategic commissioning and delivery, said work was already under way on planning how to bring visitors to Hull during the City of Culture year.

    The city is expected to be promoted heavily at King's Cross station in London, Leeds railway station and Humberside and Manchester airports.

    "We have got to get the city ready for the numerous events and the celebration of culture that 2017 is going to be," she said.

    "We want visitors to come here, enjoy a city that is vibrant and alive with welcoming spaces and then come back again on a return visit because they enjoyed it so much."

    The City of Culture team is expected to give an update on its preparations for 2017 at an event at Hull Truck later this month.

    It is also anticipated to include the first details of the company's
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    proposed grants programme, aimed at helping projects get off the ground.

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/95-H...tory-27925626-detail/story.html#ixzz3nnoBRnNf
     
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  3. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

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    Only Hull City Council would consider 95% as a decent achievement.

    When was our 2017 bid confirmed? I'm disappointed 100% won't be completed for January 2017 - they've had long enough.
     
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  4. DMD

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    It rather depends on what the other 5% is (or was). Very few schemes are liable to be 100% implemented as per the initial proposals, particularly not something that is effectively fluid/dynamic, where 95% is a very decent achievement.
     
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  5. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    There are some things that were planned, that have now been removed from the list.

    The new music venue for instance, which was originally planned to open for 2017, but is now delayed and won't open until 2018.
     
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    As OLM said - lot's of stuff has actually been removed, this would actually make the percentage lower and look much worse.

    We're never going to get this opportunity again and given the timescales involved less than 100% is disappointing. Particularly if they were all on the list for 2017.

    I bet come the start of 2017 the actual delivered percentage is even lower as inevitably there will be scheduling issues and the unavoidable delays etc. we've only got 15 months and most of the works haven't even started yet.

    We'll lose periods like Christmas/Weather etc.

    It would not be accepted in the private sector.
     
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    Who are Eurovia? Never heard of them. Only asking but wasnt it supposed to be local employers as much as possible?
     
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  8. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    According to their website, they're 'a world leader in transport infrastructure construction and urban development'.

    They look like a big set-up, they're doing some major projects in the US, though it's their Rotherham office handling our job.

    Orlando, Paris, Dresden, Prague and Rotherham. :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    What specifically has been removed as opposed to delayed or altered?

    Don't forget, some of the delays are due to the private sector.
     
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    Music venue for starters.
     
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    Would that be the one that's not removed, but possibly delayed?
     
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    They can delay anything they like and maintain 100% completion on what's left, but it's hardly ideal.
     
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    I doubt many projects this size get near 90% from concept to completion. There are many variables, such as some of those involved in the ongoing Venue. HDM doesn't have that much of a track record as an accurate source of information.
     
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    What, like Olympic, Commonwealth or World Cup venues delivered on time in full?
     
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    Not so. It happens in the private sector all the time but because its private it doesn't get splashed all over the press. All of this work is being undertaken by private sector companies and they are just as likely to screw up council business as they are private. I'm no lover of councils, the opposite in fact, but I don't think the private sector is so much better, they are just better at spin and at not making their screw-ups public.
     
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    Ok, the fmcg industry I work in it wouldn't be accepted. It's delivered on time and in full. My last company had teams ensuring projects were delivered absolutely on time, no, or can't be achieved simply wasn't an acceptable response. This would be the same across multiple industries I could name.

    The issues with contractors completing work on time is simply that they are often overly ambitious with project completion times, in order to secure the contract at tender stage.
     
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    This is going to vary from one industry to another. I think there is a difference between a contract to supply 500 washing machines a month for 12 months and a contract to supply/implement a computer system (my background) where the requirements change halfway through the project. But I do agree that suppliers will take business knowing that they won't be able to deliver.

    All I'm saying is that the private sector is far from being a model of efficiency!
     
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    Is that the Olympics that they're still dealing with the fall out from and some parts had (and still have) to be funded from elsewhere and be described as on going infrastructure to avoid being seen as over budget?

    The one that had 'legacies' buiit in at the start that are yet to be completed.
     
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    You're digressing somewhat. It's about delivering a project in full and on time - which they achieved with the Olympics. The legacy of various venues after the Olympics is a different matter.

    The purpose of the Olympic venues and villages was to be able to fulfil events. I don't recall any events not running in accordance with the Olympic timetable.
     
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    Are there not big penalty clauses put in place to prevent over ambitious timescales
     
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