Putin is a mad ****

Aye, Putin's a great guy, salt of the earth. He's never caused any bother has he?

 

And I said that when?

 

If you can ignore the original point and go off on a tangent then why can't I?

 

How are Cameron and Obama responsible for Syria?

No one mentioned Iraq or Libya or etc.

 

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NWO or the Illuminati? Maybe the Bilderbergers?

 

You think Cameron and Obama have the last say on policy?

 

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And you can prove they don't can you?

 

Oh deary deary me.


Two on the one hook.

 

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Giant Lizards pull the strings

 

Well it was certainly a concurrent thread of American policy that crossed from George W's administration into Obama's, but he is certainly the one who has seen it come through to fruition.

It likely goes back further* but the predominant focal point, from which the last circa 2 decades of events in the ME have originated, began with the development of the Isreali strategy "A Clean Break - A Strategy for Securing the Realm" in 1996, when Netanyahu was PM. A focal point within the strategy was:

- abandonment of a 'comprehensive peace' toward 'peace through strength', a peace based on balance of power. Within this Israel would work with Jordan and Turkey to "contain, destabilise and roll-back" its percieved most dangerous threats. Securing the Northern Border featured prominently, where it was considered 'natural and moral' that Israel abandon comprehensive peace and move to contain Syria, while rejecting 'land for peace' deals relating to the stolen Golan Heights.

Key quotes from the strategy are as follows:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq ... as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions"

"For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East which would threaten Syria's territorial integrity"

"Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite" - read, using foreign agent provocateurs and combatants

"(Israel) will no longer simply manage the Arab-Israeli conflict; it will transcend it"

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The principal author in this strategy (Richard Perle) fronted the Project for the New American Century effort, which was involved in direct requests to Clinton administration for the military ousting of Saddam. Through links with expat Iraqi businessmen and the Iraqi National Congree - he was a key conduit in transmitting 'key inforamation' to the US congress that would help build the case for war, and sell it to the public at the same time.
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* (from an earlier point) - a previous strategy upon which the "A Clean Break" strategy is almost certainly based is the Yinon Plan. An expansionist plan for a Greater Israel that would require the destablisation of many MENA (Middle East North Africa) countries toward their 'Balkanisation'. Principal within this are a divided Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.
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Retired four star General, and Chief of Staff, Welsey Clark revealed the US had drawn up its plan to bring down 7 ME countries in 5 years - this assertion has been supported by transcripts of cables (from US Ambassador William Roebuck who was stationed in Damascus at the time) released by Wikileaks. The original timeframe for overthowing the Syrian govt (as part of this) was in 2006. The cable discussed:

- The use of a number of factors to create fear and paranoia in the government, to encourage an overreaction (e.g. the 'Damascus Volcano' - how on earth did a rag tag bunch of 'rebels' get a bomb into a high level syrian govt security meeting);
- Plans to foster sectarian strife within the region;
- Use of surrounding US allies to support these groups and put pressure on the government (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Qatar)

So lets have a look at what America and her allies have been up to:

- Turkey has bombed Kurds fighting ISIS: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...it-continues-fight-against-isis-10446989.html

- Turkey intercepted, then quickly released, a group of Islamists crossing into Syria with precursor chemicals for making Sarin gas (remember that convenient attempted ploy for getting the USAF and RAF to act as Al-Qaeda and ISIL's de facto air force); http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

- Israel continuously seeks to degrade Syrian military capabilities through air sorties and with the standard response to rebel shelling landing in Israel being the targetting of Syrian military installations: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4567643,00.html

- Saudi Arabia provide funding for ISIS, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ing-the-militant-inferno-who-is-10024324.html
while Turkey and Qatar provide funding fo a range of equally vehemently islamist groups;

- John McCain with ISIS and Al Nusra commanders, http://i2.wp.com/quietmike.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/image8.jpg

- America arms ISIS through 'unintended transfer by trained moderate forces, looted wepons depots and "botched" air drops - http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/04/Fog-War-US-Has-Armed-ISIS
- of course the combatants seem ready trained and very capable in their use straight off the bat.

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So just a few examples there. Of course Russia's motivation in this case is the betrayal they percieved when they weree tricked into supporting the UN resolution on Libya - which operationally went way way way beyond the bounds of the text of the resolution.

They will not allow a repeat - and in this case they are absolutely right. The SAA are the only coherent force on the ground with any sort of capacity to front up ISIS (but need assistance due to obvious degradation through the grind of the war). Assad is the only remotely secular option.

Did America create ISIS? Dunno, its all smoke and mirrors, their attemts to fight the organisation appear more symbolic than anything else. They also seem to serve America and Israel's foreign policy interests well (they've recently declared war on Hamas).

Is Putin crazy? My perception is he is a master of real politik. He knows where he stands, and hes not afraid to state it rather than hide behind political doublespeak, and hes not afraid to act on his views - even if they sometimes are uncomfortably ultra-conservative.
In this instance though - if the west is serious in its commitment to fight ISIL - he is right. Assad is the only realistic option and every opposition group should be considered a legitimate target. A one front war.

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What else??? Oh aye, TL DR

 

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Not seen that before, great fun, would love to see Putin's face if he watched it - confused dot com.