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Match Day Thread Arsenal vs. Olympiacos (UCL Group F) 2015/16 Official Match Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by TheOXOCube:5pur2, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree with this whole "we're spoiled" argument.

    That doesn't justify the shortcomings of our manager nor does it justify conceding three goals at home to sides we should be beating such as Monaco, Olympiakos and Anderlecht.

    Consoling ourselves with the idea that "it could be worse" is a ridiculous mentality to have, frankly. We're not a penny-wise minnow who are exceeding expectations by being where we are; we're one of the richest and most valuable clubs in the world who make identical mistakes every year. Who have the same drawbacks every year. Who can't challenge for the league for the best part of 11 years. Who get frequently beaten by teams in Europe that have nowhere the riches that we are blessed with. And that is precisely the point.

    Arsenal fans pay very high prices to go to matches (and the food prices are ludicrous as well). The club recently announced a £25m profit, we have more money in cash reserves than almost all the other Premier League clubs combined and we have revenues that exceed £300m. We also have one of the wealthiest men in the entire world that is a shareholder at our club.

    So why do we have all this if we aren't focusing on bettering ourselves and developing as a team? Because all I see at the moment is a few new players who come in each Summer, and irrespective of their talent, we are still trying to overcome the same obstacles.
     
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  2. TheBear

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    If we play that open against Bayern they will score 5-6 against us that's for certain.
     
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  3. Sanj

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    It's not what he did, Leicester were made for us, because they attacked us and we countered them. Tonight the Greeks sat back like many teams have done at the Emirates and Wenger and team had no clue how to play against a different set up.
     
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  4. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    A night that will never be repeated <ok>
     
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  5. cini65

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    Debatable. According to posters like ACFTW most of our players are top class. 'fantastic' is subjective. 'rarely beat better teams in matches that matter' is objective.

    Tactics - yes. Because he only has one tactic. And makes miniscule adjustments to it which are lauded by Wengerites on here as being examples of him using 'different' tactics. Drive - no. It's not the drive in a 90 minute I'm talking about... it's the personal drive or desire to want to actually improve. It's obvious he doesn't have it. Because he hasn't improved in over a decade. So he's either wanted to improve and failed (ergo - sack him for incompetence) or he hasn't wanted to improve (ergo - sack him for incompetence).

    Nothing whatsoever really, because he never does... apart from the micro-adjustments that make little discernible difference but give him support from his beloved myopic fans. And that's why he needs to go.
     
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  6. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    The 'we should be happy because it could be worse' argument comes straight out of page 1 of the Wengerite handbook.
     
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  7. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Fair, thought out answers, cheers lads <ok>
     
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  8. astro

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    #legit question, if you think you're out of the CL why do so many Arsenal fans want you out of the EL too?

    You think you're too big for it? You aren't.

    You think you'll do better in next year's CL with no experience of playing well in Europe? You won't.

    You think Wenger can only get you top 4 if you don't have European games? Then sack him anyway for being unable to handle the demands of a big club.
     
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  9. The Magic Man

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    George Graham won us 2 leagues with defensive football, which we loved. Wenger won us 2 doubles with great football which we loved more.

    Even the likes of legends such as Adams, Dixon and keown all preferred the wenger era.

    I actually felt worse in 99, when manure got lucky and in the early 00's when we should have won the cl, than now..
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Wenger is too stubborn.

    It's been said before. Teams need many facets. Successful teams have players who bring different qualities - not just in terms of footballing skills, but also personality traits. Teams need leaders, uncompromising hard men, youthful energy, running and lack of fear, tactical awareness, organisation etc etc etc as well as skilful passers and players comfortable on the ball.

    Wenger ignores the traits which enable his team to counteract the strengths of the opposition, whilst overloading his own team with the traits he wants. For the last 10 years, he's been on some ideological mission to win playing his way, whilst disregarding the traits he sees as ugly and undesirable. But it only gets him so far; perpetually 3rd or 4th in the PL and no better than Q-F in the CL because there are always better all round teams in his way.
     
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  11. lazarus20000

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    On the money with this post, that's why he's never winning the CL and not won the league in ages. The last time we won the league was with a balanced team, but the teams he seems to assemble nowadays are all too familiar with all the all too familiar weaknesses.

    What once made him cutting edge is now holding him back. Instead of adapting, he's stubbornly sticking to his purist footballing ideals.
     
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  12. Busy Being Headhunted

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    Dinamo Zagreb are not even championship standard and Olympiacos are not much better
     
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  13. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    52 to 70, 70 to 88, 1 title in 36 years with an 18 year wait either side of it.

    Not exactly the epitome of consistency.<whistle>
     
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  14. gooner4ever

    gooner4ever once a Gooner always a Gooner Forum Moderator

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    Remind me when was Liverpool's last League title ?
     
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  15. lazarus20000

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    Exactly. What's even worse is Liverpool is such a shower of sh1t that a pool fan has the audacity to criticise. At least we have a chance to win the league, Brenda and his merry men couldn't even win at an over 60s bingo...
     
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  16. Tiddler

    Tiddler Hoshu-tekina

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    Now on to Bayern and a BIG win lads :)
     
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  17. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    16 years before our first CL title, Remind me when was Arsenal's last CL title?


    We are as near to winning the prem as Arsenal are to winning the CL

    Wenger was wrong, a top 4 finish isn't a trophy, it means double failure if you don't enter the CL as league champions and don't win the CL itself.


    As it stands Arsenal have only been in it to make up the numbers, nothing to brag about there.
     
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  18. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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    Rubbish. Fair criticism okay. What goes around comes around. Wenger is your problem. Time for him to go, he has overstayed his welcome.
     
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  19. goonerman

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    I believe the problem lies not just with AW but with "Silent Stan Kroenke" He puts no pressure on AW because he only see Arsenal FC as an investment which is giving him a decent financial return to invest in the USA where his major involvement is. Therefore as long as AW keeps producing mediocre performances to keep the cash rolling in he is happy.
    Anybody any thoughts?
     
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  20. SpursDisciple

    SpursDisciple Booking: Mod abuse - overturned on appeal Forum Moderator

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    City might not agree?
     
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