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  1. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    Now we know why the tories are making such a pig's ear of running the economy <whistle>
     
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    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    We also now know why Cameron said he supported West "Ham" during the General Election campaign now .
     
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  3. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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  5. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    After the thousands who have died after being passed 'Fit to Work' by Atos, the cause of this poor guy's death has been directly given as the DWP sanctions. http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...killed-himself-over-benefit-cut-coroner-rules
    What is shocking from that, as well as ATOS having targets of how many disabled people they have to sanction, that a person with no medical background ignored the advice and evidence of Michael O'Sullivan's GP and 3 other doctors, and passed him Fit to Work.

    Similar to the poor guy with diabetes who got sanctioned for being late to a meeting and couldn't afford to eat or keep his insulin cold.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...n-benefit-sanctions-death-government-policies

    I read a comment that 69,000 people have died since being passed 'Fit to Work' since the introduction of the scheme. I don't know if that's accurate, but there's definitely a huge number, and is similar to some warzone casualty lists where a government has tried to genocide parts of its population!
     
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    "A number of disabled benefit claimants have died following “fit to work” rulings by the DWP’s outsourced assessors, with 2,380 deaths between December 2011 and February 2014"

    Still too many if correct though...

    When was the "fit to work" assessments brought in though and who was in government then?

    p.s. I would have liked your post, but not sure 'like' is an appropriate response to tragic situations.
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The most ridiculous part of that was the link to the House of Commons debate, where a guy failed his ATOS test.
    They stopped his benefits because he didn't complete his assessment, because he had a heart attack in the middle of it. o_O
    If that was satire, then it would feel heavy handed. Unbelievable.
     
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  8. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Labour brought the scheme in towards the end of their last government, but the Tories took it and ran with it, putting a French multinational, ATOS, in charge of deciding who was Fit to Work, and putting stringent targets in place for how many people had to be thrown off benefits, if ATOS missed these targets then they would be charged.

    As PleaseNotPoll says - you can imagine this as a plot for In the Thick of It, but it would have been too horrible and too ridiculous for the writers!
     
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  9. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Gazidis is taking these new 'commercial revenue streams' to greater and greater extremes <whistle>

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  10. Tiddler

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    I appreciate the view on this board is that the voting public are media-led idiots who are unable to think for themselves because they refuse to elect a labour party <doh> but nevertheless...

    Jeremy Corbyn becomes first Labour leader ever to score negative debut poll rating!
    Jeremy Corbyn has become the first Labour leader to score a negative poll rating on his debut, Ipsos-MORI has confirmed. The left-wing firebrand scored minus three - worse than every other party leader since 1980, including Ed Miliband. His rating was also worse than the Conservatives Iain Duncan Smith and William Hague. :emoticon-0137-clapp
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ever-to-score-negative-debut-poll-rating.html

    Very funny stuff despite being very predictable.
    <laugh>




     
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  11. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Had the below email today from Corbyn to say thanks for supporting him and to unite to make the country better, starting with the Labour Conference.

    Again he's clear, concise, positive and credible....



    This weekend thousands of people will be making their way to Brighton for Labour Party Conference. This is the first opportunity for many party members to come together after the leadership race to debate policies and ideas. We would like to thank each and every one of you for the part you played in the campaign this summer.

    On Tuesday Jeremy will make his first conference speech as leader, outlining further his vision for the future of politics in this country.

    When Jeremy entered this race he outlined his core principles:
    • A new kind of politics: a fairer, kinder Britain based on innovation, decent jobs and decent public services.
    • Growth not austerity – with a national investment bank to help create tomorrow's jobs and reduce the deficit fairly. Fair taxes for all - let the broadest shoulders bear the biggest burden to balance the books.
    • A lower welfare bill through investment and growth not squeezing the least well-off and cuts to child tax credits.
    • Action on climate change - for the long-term interest of the planet rather than the short-term interests of corporate profits.
    • Public ownership of railways and in the energy sector - privatisation has put profits before people.
    • Decent homes for all in public and private sectors by 2025 through a big housebuilding programme and controlling rents.
    • No more illegal wars, a foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance. Replacing Trident not with a new generation of nuclear weapons but jobs that retain the communities’ skills.
    • Fully-funded NHS, integrated with social care, with an end to privatisation in health.
    • Protection at work – no zero hours contracts, strong collective bargaining to stamp out workplace injustice.
    • Equality for all – a society that accepts no barriers to everyone’s talents and contribution. An end to scapegoating of migrants.
    • A life-long national education service for decent skills and opportunities throughout our lives: universal childcare, abolishing student fees and restoring grants, and funding adult skills training throughout our lives.
    These principles will always be first and foremost, and will guide discussions and debate in next week.

    Whether you will be in Brighton or not, we hope that you will join in these discussions at every turn, be that through conference fringes, in online forums and social media, or with friends, family and colleagues. Your voices and support remain critical to the success of changing politics in this country.

    If you've not already done so, please do consider joining the Party and fight for a fairer Britain.

    Thank you again for all your continued support.
     
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  12. lazarus20000

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    The last of the good people, whether he is victorious or not, he can at least put his hand up and say that he tried to reverse the impending disaster that future generations will walk straight into. We've had the best of Britain and we shouldn't be selfish and disregard future generations, we need to help those that come after, not present them with a bleak and desperate future. So I'm with Corbyn and I'll join the struggle. Say yes to hope, i say :)
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    A lot of this sounds good, but the bit about wars, the foreign policy and Trident lost me and the equality for all bit is utterly vague.
    The media will go after those and suggest that anything other than the Tory policy on austerity is going to be the end of the world, as usual.
     
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  14. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    But theyve been saying that since Corbyn got in the ballot, indeed since ed milliband - even though he was neither left or anti-austerity. Yet despite this record numbers voted for corbyn, with half a million joining labour since then. No matter if corbyn promised a mix of tory, bnp and ukip policies the press would still slate him.

    The point about the wars is that everyone since the 80s has taken place in such a way as to make money off the backs of untold misery, and as a result has made the country so much less secure.
    Directly leading to the migrant crises, the 7/7 bombing and the rise of radicalisation in this country, as well as the deaths of huge numbers of british soldiers and civilians in those countries.

    If you have a look at his Corbyn for Leader website he goes into depth about his policies and plans (though of course he will listen to the party/electorate as well)
     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Every war since the 80s? I think that the former Yugoslavians and the Kuwaitis might disagree with you, for a start.
    There's a balance between what's happened and Corbyn's approach. They're both too extreme for me.
     
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    I know what you mean, im one of the generation thats been hit by little bank loans, poor mortgage offers (as opposed to the 150% mortgages others got offered), student loans, a ****ed environment, a screwed up economy and frozen job market and increasingly privatised nhs and other public services with no chance of a pention when i eventually get to retire.

    But its scary to think how gleefully some people are welcoming the tories getting rid of our nhs, the bbc (already happened/happening), humam rightCome on smelly, ive been waiting here so long some guy just tried to clamp me!s, workers rights, whilr selling off the country to the highest bidder. Its great that we have someone fighting this in Westminster now to go along with bennet, sturgeon and leanbe wood, instead of abstaining like other labour mps.

    Its hilarious that the only 'unelectable' candidate (according to the press) is the only politician with a chance of getting the Tories out of power and stopping the damage they are doing to the country. Either by a huge grass roots movement, or as the only person who can unite the greens and snp behind him, while drawing some ukip supporters back.
     
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  17. Smirnoffpriest

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    We didn't go into the iraq war to liberate kuwait, we went in for oil - where we then propped up a brutal dictator in exchange for oil/strategic interest after promising to get rid him. This caused huge unrest in the area and the way we acted made our country less secure,

    Chomsky has a few interesting things to say about the bosnian conflict and the attrocities that went on there.
     
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    Did anyone catch any of the UKIP conference? Farage I thought spoke very well and an important message from it was about fighting a positive campaign to leave the EU, which would suggest they will try and avoid being overly controversial.

    Whether you agree with his views or not, he's a great speaker.
     
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  19. Smirnoffpriest

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    I have to admit i didnt. I do find him loathesome so i unconciously avoid him. But ill have to watch what he said as itll be interesting
     
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    He did call Corbyn a gift to UKIP <laugh>

    So you might not like everything he has to say lol
     
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