You can count on one hand teams in the championship getting 20000+,we are in the next tear. City have a much bigger support that a lot of championship sides,who have and are doing much better than us. The old chestnut of city being minnows in this league is crazy.A successful side at the top of the championship would pull 20000+ no problem at all.
Didnt know what to expect this season and still dont. City at times have looked good. if they went down I would still be there and expect them to come back stronger. no reason why they should not with what is going on at the club. Dont see that Citys position is that much different to Southampton or Swansea was in the past except things are not all in place yet. The saints would be a great club to follow and it will not be done by spend spend debt debt etc. it requires structure and planning of thetyoe that is being done [I hope!!]. disgaree about performances as a well. City have looked good if they had not at all you would hear the concern in the crowd at Ashton Gate which you don't. There is a world of difference between a defeat v Burnley [how???] and that v Reading [****e!!!]. Results and survival are all that matter this season, no I go to be entertained meet friends belong and I have enjoyed the football this season in the main if i was a results fans i would watch another team. Results are not all that matter if the £££ spent getting them puts the safety of the club at risk or it has to cheat to spend more. which is what some have said should happen. it didnt last time. average gate was 16000 with not may sell outs at 20000.
Results and survival are all that matter this season, no I go to be entertained meet friends belong and I have enjoyed the football this season in the main if i was a results fans i would watch another team. Results are not all that matter if the £££ spent getting them puts the safety of the club at risk or it has to cheat to spend more. which is what some have said should happen. This is where we differ then. Entertainment isn't top of my agenda this season, nice though it would be, but only when coupled to good results. Last season was different and the pressure was far less. We've spent relatively little this season and it shows.
but have a new forward who is one of the clubs costliest signings in BCFC history and off the park the redevelopment is the biggest financial undertaking since ??? dunno!! Not sure what that means but if you mean 45 points being enough to keep teams up in the last two seasons I will back the way Mr Cotterill is attempting it by attacking football. I dont support making massive losses - cheating bending rules and risking transfer embargoes which is what you appear to support. i say appear as you ignore ???'s and facts and are posting things in threads about SL which are not true.
Football grounds are longer a luxury that they can only be used once a fortnight between August and May. I have been to Exeter Chiefs Sandy Park ground at least 50 times, but have only seen 3 games of Rugby there. The venue is in constant use for meetings, wedding functions etc. There are Rugby world cup games being played there and Exeter Chiefs, previously a low league team are now established Premier. Ashton Gate will be no different, and what division we are in, will only be important 1 day in 14. Income from attendances, whilst important, will not be the back bone of revenue income. I was told, on a club tour some time ago, that if every seat was filled for every home game, the breakeven cost for a ticket was around £280. The average cost to me on my season ticket is around £17 just to demonstrate the point.
We forget that no matter how successful we have been in the last couple of decades, we have always been limited to 19,500. We are back in the championship now with a capacity of about 16,000 and we could probably have sold most of these via season tickets if the club hadn't deliberately stopped selling to leave some free for walk up on the day. I have no doubt that had we started this season the same as last, 20,000+ would have been easily achieved taking into account the momentum...
Slightly off topic here, but Cardiff (the city not the football club) economy will generate £300 million for the eight games it shows during the World Cup. Just imagine if we started the rebuild two years sooner.
Correct we could have sold 15000 to 16000 sts alone this season. All we are singing is give us a team that will be at the top end and the crowds will follow.
Season ticket purchases in the latter weeks petered out. City shifted a further 300, but 2500 [approx] would have been very unlikely without a drastic reduction in price as an inducement. The redevelopment will at a later date allow a wider ticket price spread and the improved facilities at new stadiums normally produces an initial spike in attendance. Another plus for the redevelopment. Interestingly the corporate boxes for the redeveloped stadium you feel is unnecessary have had a high take up.
When we went to the playoff final at Wembley I believe most games were up in the 17/18,000 attendance level and we still lost a shed load of money. At the same time weren't we spending way too much on salaries which led to a losses of 6 and 10 million respectively over 2 years. Accounting is at best a science that most of us don't need to understand when all we judge by is the product put in front of us each match. The past is always important but don't expect it to sort out your future by default. Effort and dedication to duty will sort out that side of the equation.
I believe only Arsenal, Swansea and possibly Southampton are the only truly solvent clubs in the Premiership. Despite the excesses of Chelsea and Man U who like us are supported and bank rolled by billionaires, you never see the likes of Everton spend £30m on a player. Yet they've never been relegated from the top flight of English football (and nor have Arsenal) and they get a full house every week, and I'll wager a season ticket at Goodison would be half the price of one down here should we ever get there. So how do they do it ? By frugal spending and selling an occasional Wayne Rooney that comes through the ranks. The point I'm making is that top flight clubs can be well run, reasonably solvent and thrive, even if, like Everton, they've not been hugely successful over the last 20 or so years. If Sky ever walked away then the Premiership and 90% of teams in it would collapse overnight.
correct they are propping up the prem,once it was la liga,then siri a,then the premiership,what if the bundesliga was next. However my gripe is the amount of money our owner has put into this football club,the results have been very poor indeed. Many a club have gone onto the prem without spending anything like we have.
Citys average attendance in the play off season 16000~+ and the club lost six million pounds+. To put that into perspective City would not have broke even if average attendances had been 21000. By 2012 City losses had increased to fourteen millions. Turn over was less than twelve. Wages eighteen million. Debts were forty million. that type of situation is no longer permitted due to FFP, however Ciy lost nine million last season, debt is at around twenty five million and restricted through other companies, but BCFC are not so far off the ceiling for permitted losses in future. City past has to define its future. Spending and loss was at an obscene level. The redevelopment and FFP should be looked upon as an opportunity to re-position BCFC as being well run v symptomatic of the worst run.
