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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. crackerman jack

    crackerman jack Well-Known Member

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    Understand what you are saying Spurf and PS but this is a cup we have a very good chance of winning. I'd like us to actually win something rather than just qualify for the CL (which we won't this year anyway)! 2 trophies in 25 years, both being League Cups means we should take the League cup very seriously IMO.
     
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  2. Rubbersoul

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    First half was a dull game of football but second half I felt you dominated it and deserved at least extra time. A brace from Flamini I feel sometimes you gotta put your hands up and say fair enough haha.

    Kane was unlucky with his over head and yeah, thought you played well.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Judging by the way your fans were acting after the final whistle, anyone with eyes would say it was the other way around. See also: plenty of evidence on this site as well as Old606, and any time Jack Wilshere opens his gob.
     
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  4. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    In my view it means we should rubbish this cup and concentrate on winning something worthwhile like the FA Cup or the Europa cup. Sorry crackerman I do not value winning this nuisance of a competition. Maybe it's an age thing. Let's clear the decks and concentrate our resources on REAL competitions.
     
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  5. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    "In my view it means we should rubbish this cup and concentrate on winning something worthwhile like the FA Cup or the Europa cup.
    Sorry crackerman I do not value winning this nuisance of a competition."

    How is it a nuisance ??
    It has little or no effect on the UEFA group stages nor the PL campaign for starters.

    You have to get to the SFs before it mingles with FA Cup fixures.
    You have to get to the final before it mingles with Europa fixtures.

    Perhaps because I am a bit older than some, the 'spirit of 1982' dwells within me
    (the year when Spurs reached two domestic cup finals, pushed hard in both a
    UEFA tournament, and the league - when it had 22 clubs in it) .
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'd rather have put out a strong team last night and gone through and I'm annoyed that we didn't.
    It was a good opportunity to progress, get a win against Arsenal, continue our good form and keep them on a poor run.
    City's going to be a hard game anyway and we've got some depth in our midfield returning soon, hopefully.
    This was not the game to experiment in and risk elimination. We didn't do it against Qarabag and there's far further to go in the Europa League.

    This is the sort of competition that we have a realistic chance of winning and a good draw would allow us to rest players.
    If we get a tough one, which we did, then we should pick a strong team and give ourselves the best chance to get to the next round.
    We were a little unfortunate not to progress, in my opinion, but chucking in players from the cold will do that.
    Fazio was awful and a few others weren't up to speed. Perhaps we need a few behind doors games to address that in future?
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The annoying thing is that, if we played Alderweireld instead of Fazio, the game would've gone very differently. As Roo pointed out, Fazio didn't win a single tackle all night and his passing accuracy was 68% - both of which put added pressure on our defence, which is far more damning than him setting up Flamini for his second.

    It's been reported that ten of their fans have been arrested on public order, criminal damage and assault charges - or, in other words, doing their best impression of West Ham fans, right down to their charming chants. Somebody probably should've pointed out to them that Arsenal have a sizable Jewish fanbase...but then again, it's not the first time that fans of other clubs seem to know more about Arsenal's history or background than their fans do, is it?
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    What were the chants? I thought that I heard some at the start of the second half, but then I assumed that I'd misheard, as Arsenal fans generally know better than that.
    I can't stand a lot of things about that club, but the rivalry's normally balanced about right and they don't have the Chelsea/West Ham anti-Semitism issue.
     
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  9. redwhiteandermblue

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    I don’t like it from a momentum point of view. A win would have kept a good run going and would have been more valuable than rest, IMO. We’ll have to see how we do against City, though surely that’s a tough ask in any circumstances. I also can’t see playing Alderweireld against Qarabag but not Arsenal--or playing Dier against Qarabag.

    As much as I’d like to win something, last year it seemed like one cup too many in mid-season, so being out of one of them relatively early I’m at worst mixed about. Trying to keep going in everything may have hurt our chances of reaching a worthwhile goal in anything. We have to score more, and continue to improve, but there’s more hope for the PL than I would have guessed. Chelsea look old, Liverpool have serious problems, and Arsenal are surprisingly thin at a couple of spots. Some of the other teams look much stronger, on the other hand, but I think a lack of depth should tell eventually.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    There's been mentions of Auschwitz chants and hissing sounds on various sites (which counts as a public order offence)
     
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  11. Spurf

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    It takes up time and effort that could be better employed elsewhere. We don't need TWO cup competitions the FA Cup has been devalued in recent years and League Cup rubbish does nothing to help. People just get sucked into what was a politically motivated competition in the first place and just adds fuel to the fire of the gullibility of football fans. I feel quite strongly about this League Cup issue as you may have gathered. :grin:
     
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  12. crackerman jack

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    If we have a good run into the FA cup then I won't be so annoyed about being out of this cup. Of course I would much rather us win that. But we haven't made the final since 91 and we have made the final of this 4 times I think since. I'm 35 so don't remember the early 80's success so only really know an Fa cup win and 2 league cups in my lifetime hence why I don't like us thinking we are too good to take the league cup seriously when recent history (last 30 years if you can call that recent....!!) says we shouldn't.
     
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  13. Spurm

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    Supporting virtually anyone other than Spurs would be easier. With obvious exceptions to the Cardiffs and Newcastles of the world.
    However, who wants to feel dirty all the time? Not me ;)
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    Another way to look at it is the League Cup is part of the reason the Premier League season starts two weeks earlier than La Liga or Serie A, despite all three leagues having the same number of teams. Spain and Italy only have one cup competition in their seasons, reducing the amount of clutter in the fixture lists while also allowing teams extra time to prepare - and it's the latter point that would be beneficial to all Premier League teams but especially Spurs, given our pre-season that was motivated by marketing opportunities instead of match preparation as well as Levy's annual game of transfer window chicken.

    It's also worth stating that the Bundesliga and Ligue 1 both start on the same weekend as the Premier League despite both having two less teams/four less fixtures per season, and that's because the Bundesliga has a winter break, while the Coupe de la Ligue (the French equivalent of the COC) is mainly played during Ligue 1's winter break.
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    "I feel quite strongly about this League Cup issue as you may have gathered."

    I feel the issue is in fact a non-issue, and not worthy of any feeling.
    As for the starting XIs yesterday, nothing there to imply either side was treating the
    competition as a joke, waste of space etc.
     
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  16. NSIS

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    I don't feel it's a waste of time either. It gives you an entry into Europe for winning it, just as the FA Cup does. The same teams compete in it, apart from the non league sides. Sure, the FA Cup has more perceived prestige purely because it's older, but in reality, the two are pretty much the same thing with different names.

    You can argue as to why there are two virtually identical competitions, the obvious answer is financial. However, in my view, you can't argue that one is any more of a waste of time than the other.
     
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  17. redwhiteandermblue

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    Well said.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    There's another thing that counts against the League Cup: more often than not, having won the trophy in late February/early March, the winners seem to mentally switch off for the remainder of the season and they drop down the league. Cases in point (off the top of my head) include: Spurs (1999 and 2008), Swansea (2013), Liverpool (2012), Birmingham (2011), Middlesbrough (2004)
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    "Sure, the FA Cup has more perceived prestige purely because it's older, but in reality,
    the two are pretty much the same thing with different names."

    To league clubs, absolutely.
    The romance of the FA Cup IMHO is the non-league aspect (round 3 especially) .
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    "There's another thing that counts against the League Cup: more often than not, having won the trophy in late February/early March, the winners seem to mentally switch off for the remainder of the season and they drop down the league. Cases in point (off the top of my head) include: Spurs (1999 and 2008), Swansea (2013), Liverpool (2012), Birmingham (2011), Middlesbrough (2004)"

    I would counter that by saying the example clubs were not still in the races for the bigger rewards
    (UEFA tournaments or PL) around that time period anyway.
     
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