Off Topic Dark Matter and other Astronomy information.

I believe in being "green" I recycle, I cycle I never owned a car. I don't leave my taps running and don't leave lights on for nothing.
I'm big on building around nature not eradicating it to create urban sprawls. Not a fan of chemical pollution and certainly not a fan of fracking.

I am not a believer in authoritarian militant environmental movements that create false alarms and promote political views rather than environmental views.

 

As previously stated, NOx is not used in stratospheric Ozone process. That is the Ozone layer that protects the planet.

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The process that creates Ozone in the Troposphere where it is of no use is also depleting the Ozone in the Stratosphere where it is needed.

 

NOx is short for Nitrogen Oxides not the chemical assignment NO2 which is specific and one of many combinations of Nitrogen and Oxygen. NO2 is nitrogen oxide. N2O is Nitrous Oxide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_oxide

 

This is what I mean by silly game. This is a factual debate on something and you get all person because of your long running obsession.

The point, that went way way over your head is that there is very real catastrophic pollution happening and the only thing we really here about is CO2. The EPA are at the forefront of this scam and they are actually causing very real local catastrophic long lasting environmental damage and it doesn't really make the news. The EPA also allows the destruction of whole areas by strip mining and fracking

They just killed a hige river that will also pollute ground water in the region and anything that consumes the water, like plants ect, ffs, and no one blinked an eye.

 

I think you've said it all there



















Now shut the **** up

 

Screw you stupid flanders.

Sometimes I think I am a lefty, then my raging conservatism comes out, then I jump on the fence, I don't know where I am at, stupid ideological labels

 

Pristine land and waterway, this is what the "environmental Protection Agency" does. The river is not some small stream

but CO2 is bad mmmmkay

 

Still confused as to why you brought nitrous oxide into the discussion then.

 

So did the EPA order that pollution to be released into the river or did they do it themselves?

 

UK, France and Germany lobbied for flawed car emissions tests, documents reveal
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal


@astroturfnaut There's your big business conspiracy right there
Three of the biggest proponents of "man made climate change" lobbying for loopholes that conceal real car CO2 emissions.

Ye still think corporations don't own your politicians ? This scam of man made global warming has big business' finger prints all over it

 

Is this about nitrous oxide?

 

Not the suicide bombers.

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The Muslims believe that they should visit Mecca at least once in a life time
Throwing stones at Jamarat, otherwise known as the devil.
We humans blame all bad things on the devil.
At least 717 perished in Saudi Arabia. Sad News.

 

It was people crushed by huge unmanaged crowds, not killed by stones. It also happened in a Stadium in Germany in recent years. It happens at concerts. It happened at Hillsborough.

 

Something ocurred to me when eating my brekkie.

Time dilation is bollocks! The GPS system supposedly is eviedence

But.. the clocks on earth will move slower than the clocks in space, the faster moving clocks have a different atomic mass, mass obviously increases the faster an object goes (mass energy). This causes the clock to tick slower due to atmoic mass difference compared to slower moving clocks on earth, not because time is dilalating.

I could prove this if I had some satellites and a means of drastically increasing speed and then slowing their orbits.

I only need a few billion £, turn out yer pockets lads

 

Yeah but the money needs to keep flowing into the Mars project. So they need to find stuff now and again
What really makes me laugh about this "big announcement" is that Mars has glaciers, they grow and recede, so obviously there is liquid water on mars, what happens to it once the ice melts is something to be worked out but Mars having water, or any other body in this solar system is absolutely NOT big news.

Water is formed by a soup of charged particles striking out atmosphere with Hydrogen and Oxygen combining. Heck oxygen is trapped in rock so the solar wind striking rocks can also create HO2 in an electrically charged environment, which is why we see much ice on coments imo.

Given how oxygen rich out atmosphere is, there is certainly water being created constantly as charged particles strike our atmosphere.

 

I've never understood that bollocks either, as time is uniform, but perception of time differs.

 

Yeah and that is realtivity in a nutshell. Exactly. Relativity is just one object relative to the other. There is no distinction, it doesnt matter in relativity which person or object is moving and which isn't. They both travel away from each other if one is stationary and the other traveling at the speed of light.

In the real world it does matter, and relativity is irrelevant

An example.
GPS.
Atomic clocks on earth and atomic clocks in space.
The clock in space is moving faster than the clock on earth.

As far as I know atomic clocks count radiation cycles of atoms, like Cesium say.
The faster that space clock moves the more energy the atoms gain, this effects the radiation cycles of the atmoms making the cycles fractionally longer.

So, this is not actually relativity time dilation, it is a physical process of atomic radioactive cycle change, that only affects that clock, not as relativity would put it, "time".

To offset this the clocks before being launched in to space are calibrated to count less cycles before ticking over one second.

I fail to see how it is any different than applying energy to a conventional time pieces with heat making the cog in the clock expand and as a result a second takes fractionally longer to tick over which would "appear" to be time dilating, when really, as with the atomic clock, the mechanism for measuring time (atoms in the former, and metal cog in the latter) have been altered.

In short if you have two twins and send one into space, he will not age differently, because if he is travelling at speed, then the effect of his atoms gaining more mass.. how does one equate that into ageing at a different rate? We have no clue what effect our atoms gaining mass energy would have.

Claiming it means we age at a different rate is nothing but fanciful nonsense

 

Cool theory bro, now all you have to do is make some calculations for exactly how much your effect would predict and compare that with reality. You know, the actual work real scientists do

 

Every standard you use to measure, or even just notice, the passing of time is based on some physical process taking place. Our everyday experiences teach us that these processes don't depend on our speed but that is based on us only experiencing very low speeds (far less than the speed of light). So simple ideas of velocity, space and time (Galilean transformations and the concept of absolute space and time) usually work for us. Because the speed of light (in a vacuum) is a univeral speed limit the effects of special relativity only become noticable when you have speeds almost as big as that though they are always there just too small to care about.

The simplest derivation of special relativity time dilation is the "light clock", for which you only need to understand Pythagoras' theorem.

The general relativity time dilation effect is a separate effect due to gravity. It has the "opposite" effect relative to us on Earth (i.e. leaving Earth at high speed increases special relativity time dilation but decreases general relativity time dilation), which I don't think Sisu has accounted for so I'm afraid to say his theory might be inaccurate.

 

Going and finding sometihng to copy and paste that doesn't exctually explain the difference in Special Relativity and the physical processes is hardly helpful.

Try understand the point here, because you missed it entirely.

Relativity is what it says, relative to your position.

What I am saying has nothing to do with relativity. The whole point of my original post was that Realtivists use the GPS as a defence of relativity with regards to time dilation.
What I have shown, as have others out there, is that the condition of the clock in space has no bearing to it's relative position and speed relative to the clock on earth, the clock on earth plays no part and has no bearing. It's relative position is meangingless.

The clock in space moves and gains mass energy compared to the clock on earth which has closer to rest mass.
The gain in mass energy slows down the clock, not time, not procession, procession remains unchanged, the amount of time that passes is the same, the clock may take longer to tick a second, but if you are with that fast moving clock, in reality a second passes in the same amount of time as it did for a person standing next to the earth clock, the space clock is the wrong time, the seconds are longer.. but actual seconds are not if say we consider procession of aging, that will not change no matter the position and speed of something relative to you. Relatively speaking we can say there is a perceived difference, but in the actual physical world, there is none. Theory vs physical Reality.

To further back the relativists nonsense, hawking said "if you want to live longer" move around the earth in the direction it is already spinning therefor you will live longer relatively than those that don't. Nonsense. Increase speed has never shown anything to age less than the stationary objects relative to them.

it's all fancy dreaming, great imagination granted but nothing more.