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NOx creates ozone?

 

Just wondering what this has to do with the point in question.

 

It damages Ozone, it's humanity's biggest contribution to reducing Ozone protection during the past 50 - 60 years

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A few posts back I posted this.

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4500 joules of UV is 11 on the 1 - 11 risk scale. As can be seen the equator gets 7500 joules in places.

UV kills phytoplankton in the ocean by reacting with "Titanium dioxide nanoparticles" in ocean water (A biotech and nano industry miracle) apparently.
There is pollution no one talks about.. phytoplankton is the base of the ocean food chain, if it dies off so does most of the food chain in the oceans.

So without even getting into cancer via UV, there is a much bigger fundamental problem that is being totaly and utterly ignored.

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UV is up all over the place. The nothern hemisphere where Ozone is lowest, is there we are seeing the biggest temperature changes on the planet.



My main point of this is actual very real proven problems with how we are polluting our environments and biospheres are ignored.

NOx destroying Ozone and biochem nano waste along with more UV from NOx destroying Ozone destroying ocean food chain base, and no one cares really. CO2 now, oh lets invest 30 billion in that fraud instead

 

Eh? NOx is part of the chemcial formation of Ozone. The issue is that it creates ozone at a low level creating ozone pollution

 

despite getting physics A level I am no chemist and so do get my oxides, monoxides etc mixed up but isn't nitrous oxide an anesthesthetic AKA laughing gas, is that stuff part of car emissions? if so then wow I really didnt know that.

 

Chemistry.
NOx depletes Ozone at a similar rate to HCFCs but not as much s CFCs
"Nitrous oxide bears similarities to CFCs in that they are both very stable in the troposphere where they are emitted, and when they reach the stratosphere release active chemicals that destroy ozone through chlorine or nitrogen oxide-catalysed reactions."
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2009/August/27080903.asp

 

I assume you are right here though I don't know. My Chemistry nowledge really only related to water chemistry.


But it would not be a huge leap to think that if your air had a constant elevated amount of NOx in it respiratory depression ocurrs
This causes a buildup of carbon dioxide in the blood which lowers your blood pH.. not a good thing that.

 

Ditto

Chemistry

http://www3.epa.gov/airnow/ozone/o3.html

 

But nitrous oxide is N2O not quite sure what NOx is.

 

Ah yes but surely the EPA are the baddies, they must be the baddies because Sisu posted a picture of a river pollution that the EPA did.

 

I am not saying NOx isn't part of the "creation" of O3. I am saying excessive emissions then destroy the Ozone layer by "depleting O3" through chemical reactions.

The only analogy that immediately comes to mind is fire, it needs air, but too much air and the fire burns out.

I think that's where we are at with Ozone, a certain amount of NOx creates a steady balance of O3 protection but too much NOx causes reactions that end up depleting the Ozone gas.

As far as I understand it, so concerning your post and mine, both are correct

 

What's wrong with you?

 

btw you are talking about a different Ozone than what I am talking about mate.


Stratospheric ozone. Stratospheric ozone is formed naturally by chemical reactions involving solar ultraviolet radiation (sunlight) and oxygen molecules, which make up 21% of the atmosphere. In the first step, solar ultraviolet radiation breaks apart one oxygen molecule (O2) to produce two oxygen atoms. These reactions occur continually whenever solar ultraviolet radiation is present in the stratosphere. As a result, the largest ozone production occurs in the tropical stratosphere

Tropospheric ozone. Near Earth’s surface, ozone is produced by chemical reactions involving naturally occurring gases and gases from pollution sources. Ozone production reactions primarily involve hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxide gases, as well as ozone itself, and all require sunlight for completion. Fossil fuel combustion is a primary source of pollutant gases that lead to tropospheric ozone production.

 

I think the general idea here is that the process that creates O3 can destroy it if there is an imabalance in NOx because it burns out.

I think.. Ozone is a step in a chemical process, an ongoing steady stable chemical process means there is always a steady content of O3 produced by the process, if that process becomes unbalanced, by say adding more of one chemical. That reduces the O3 amount created by the chemical reaction.

Now because that process has been influenced by emissions, more UV gets in, more UV also may cause a depletion of O3 too.

The UV maps lend to this idea because we are seeing very high UV and Ozone depletion

I am just trying to get this right in my own head, this is not a subject I have researched in any real way

 

Good summary of the last 98 pages

 

I suggest you read back over your own contribution


You once said "I (bbf) hate education" or something similar. I've never met someone so adverse to new ideas as you.
#irony
#yourworldhasstoppedspinning

 

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/ozone/2010/twentyquestions/Q2.pdf
Important reactive gases that destroy ozone are hydrogen and nitrogen oxides and those containing chlorine and bromine.

So it seems NOx is an important Ozone reactive gas that also depetes O3

Our addition of NOx, as I said, imbalances the process and depletes Ozone

 

Balance of chemical processes.
Ozone abundances in the stratosphere and troposphere are determined by the balance between chemical processes that produce and destroy
ozone. The balance is determined by the amounts of reactive gases and how the rate or effectiveness of the various reactions varies with sunlight intensity, location in the atmosphere, temperature, and other factors. As atmospheric conditions change to favor ozone-producing reactions in a certain location, ozone abundances increase. Similarly, if conditions change to favor other reactions that destroy ozone, abundances decrease. The balance of production and loss reactions combined with atmospheric air motions determines the global distribution of ozone on timescales of days to many months. Global ozone has decreased during the past several decades because the amounts of reactive gases containing chlorine and bromine have increased in the stratosphere.


In short.. us pumping out NOx. Destroys the Ozone protection of the planet which was the original point of debate

 

Eh?

 

I thought of you on the way into work today. The guy who sometimes gives me a lift is very anti-green and doesn't believe in global warming at all. He also drives like a ****ing maniac