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Serious question - our next manager?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by glazerfodder, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. MartialTheTroops

    MartialTheTroops Member

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    Hughes burnt his bridges with the club when he took the Man City job. He shouldn't be under consideration.
     
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  2. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

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    The number 2 for United have not been that successful as the main manager.:

    Mike Phelan
    Quieroz
    Mcclaren
    Rene

    are examples.

    Giggs was one of the greatest players that have worn a United shirt. He doead understand what the United "style" is, what the fans want.

    But does that mean he can deliver? having the knowledge and implenting are 2 different things.

    When (not if) LVG goes in 2 years time, then I would want someone like Ancelotti, Klopp or Guardiola. Sure we may be depend of whether they have the likes of Barca, Bayern or Real employing or chasing them but the United job is still one of the biggest in football. I don't think it is a job for a rookie.
     
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  3. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    No, it doesn't mean he can deliver but he is clearly in the position he is in to learn the job.

    What is managing a lower league club going to teach anyone about managing Manchester United? Absolutely **** all, he knows the club anyway and he's learning the trade from the position he is currently in.

    If in two years time when van Gaal goes would Klopp and Ancelotti still be considered candidates if they were;

    A, only 18 months into whatever job they then had or

    B, still out of work?

    No, they wouldn't.

    The only viable candidate you mention is Guardiola. Otherwise it's Giggs.
     
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  4. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    As I've said, if he goes and proves himself as an actual manager, not as a number 2 then he deserves to be under consideration. But not before.

    We need to go for the best proven manager available when LVG leaves. Choosing the manager based on blind hero worship is the quickest way down the table. It wasn't so long ago that everyone wanted Solskjaer to get the job, and look how he flopped at Cardiff.

    If it has to be a former player of ours, which I don't see why it does, Then the only guy who deserves to be in the running is Laurent Blanc. He has had a very successful start to his managerial career, and he's proven he can handle the pressure of being the manager of a top European side :biggrin:
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    Like it or not, Giggs is currently being 'groomed' to be the next United manager. That is simply how it is.

    There is one other candidate currently in the football world and it isn't Laurent Blanc. Top of the league in a one horse race, epic.
     
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  6. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think he got the PSG job in the first place?

    He won a league and cup double with Bordeaux, in a league you describe as a one horse race. So quite an achievement. PSG have also improved a lot under him, look how they beat Chelsea with 10 men last season, and they only fell to Barcelona, so no shame there. They will certainly be a force in Europe again this season :biggrin:
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    Sorry to point out the obvious as, while him winning the league is an admirable achievement, this is before PSG were bought.

    Hence, prior to them sewing the whole thing up as a one horse race.

    None of this alters the fact that Ryan Giggs is currently in 'training' to be the next United manager for when van Gaal leaves at the end of next season.
     
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  8. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    He's also the bloke that doesn't look at all impressed with LVGs tactics ;)
     
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  9. DerekTheMole

    DerekTheMole Well-Known Member

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    Which one?
     
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  10. glazerfodder

    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    I don't see the problem in Giggs stepping up to the manager's job once LVG retires. He is learning from (yet another) top manager and at the same time is able to keep tabs on all aspects of the club i.e. signings, youth academy, business management etc - something that no 'incomer' could possibly have. Giggs is an internationally respected figure in football and before taking over the club his time is better spent at LVG's side watching and learning than it would be as manager of some Championship club.
     
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  11. Stan

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    Moyes managed one of the top clubs in England for years before he came to United. He was quickly swallowed up by the job. I don't think Giggs getting experience at a lower league club or even another PL club outside of the CL clubs would make any difference. They either give him a shot after LVG goes or they go for experience and then it would have to be someone like Ancelotti. Even he may be too nice to do the job!
     
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  12. Milk not bear jizz

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    AVB, Sherwood, Moyes... Rodgers should be free by then.
     
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  13. Treble

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    If Giggs is being groomed for the Utd job by LVG lets hope he's learning what NOT to do. Going by his general demeanour sat next to Van Gaal, I'm pretty sure he is.
     
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    Giggs looks embarrassed watching the performances.
     
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  15. Treble

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    Well if the theory is he is United through and through and would manage the club true to our traditional style of football (which I believe to be the case) then he is simply taking what he can learn from LVG without believing in his bullshit pheeeelosophee.
     
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  16. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    Exactly.

    It's more about learning the whole job than just copying van Gaal.

    He'd no doubt employ his own coaches and implement his own style of play but, having played under Ferguson, he's now learning under van Gaal. Who can also impart a lot of experience.

    Just a thought though, he shagged his brothers wife so it's probably illegal to give him the job anyway.

    Ask Astro and BBF.
     
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  17. UnitedinRed

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    Bonkers to give Giggs the job next. We've seen Barcelona give Pep the job and though, we can do that.

    Difference is. Pep had extensive coaching and some managerial experience (albeit in lower leagues). Giggs doesn't. He has 4 games.

    Liverpool also went down this old boys club style of appointments. It ended terribly.

    About the only reason being given is that he knows the club.
     
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  18. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Do the van Gaal doubters realise that he may well extend his contract and that the club is impressed with his work? You do all understand he was brought in to revamp the club and overhaul the playing style. The next manager will need to fit within that style as the club cannot afford, under any circumstances, to drop away again.

    Also, why do people think Giggs doesn't like van Gaal. He would be in the job if they didn't get on. van Gaals the manager, not giggs. He chooses his staff and of they don't work, or are even against him, as some suggest, Giggs wouldn't be the assistant manager. Giggs doesn't look happy because giggs rarely looks happy, he doesn't walk around with a massive grin all the time.
     
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  19. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    Pep is a one off, he also had the fortune of having a 19 year old Messi in his ranks, who would go on to score 60 goals+ every season for him.

    I do think Pep is a good coach, but then again he was very fortunate with the players he inherited.

    His time at Bayern hasn't quite been as successful, if anything he's taken them backwards in European terms. I don't think his patient passing style works aswell with Germans as it does do Spanish, as it's not how youth players in Germany are taught to play:biggrin:
     
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  20. UnitedinRed

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    Hes got Muller in the side at Bayern as well who is probably, sorry, is without doubt, the third best player in football right now..

    Van Gaals time at Bayern made things easier for him mind, the players were familiar with the possession game, unlike ours who barely passed for the past few seasons.
     
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