Off Topic Political Debate

i have greek rels and they have said just that.....

 

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FB is rife with images at the mo, This one has resurfaced and is 'liked' by many. I am interested to hear people's views. I for one abhor racism and the denigration of others because of their colour.
IMO humanity is moving to a world in which the white man does not claim all the resources of others fro his own benefit...in which we are all equal regardless of colour..

 

I also despise racism, which brings on my rants about the National Front out here, and I also feel there is a strong element of it in UKIP. I however am not sure that the world is moving towards everyone being equal. I believe it will take many years to happen, if it ever does.

 

I suspect that given the vast number of cultures, religions and political philosophies we are confronted with, any kind of global equality is something of a pipe dream. What I think has changed is the way news and ideas are now immediately accessible to far more people in far more places. Obvious wrongs can be questioned more rapidly and evoke more numerous responses. Whether that has yet begun to have a significant impact on decision and policy makers - those with more power to make things more equitable - I think may be too soon to say. Is there less racism or less poverty or less homophobia? Serious efforts have been made to reduce all three but it sometimes feels like we've developed a penknife to chip away at an iceberg.

 

I don't think that equality is the right word here. Rather uniqueness; I believe every person to be unique, and also every culture or nationality, and where there is uniqueness there can be no comparison. As soon as any nation or race or culture thinks of itself as 'better' than others then it can only be the sign of an inferiority complex. However, I do not think that all concerns about immigration can be put down to racism. Also racism has no place on the left-right spectrum.

 

I have not seen anything but how does not wishing to have all the refugee immigrant economic migrants make anyone racist? From my little corner of europe I see many nationalities and colours trying to get into Germany, Britain and Sweden, the only almost common thing the people have is they are mostly islamic. To me that is not race that is religion.

 

I think we can enlarge this Yorkie....to denigrate against anyone on the basis of skin colour, nationality, religion, culture, sex, disability or age (anything else ?) in short any stereotype which is not based upon a persons individuality is absurd. Having said this we are all influenced a little by the culture we grew up in and need to be aware of this on the one hand, but also understand that other cultures are just as valid as our own. Concern about immigration can however come from a whole variety of sources and I would be very carefull about classing it all as racist or xenophobic. In earlier times the left were very sceptical about immigration because they saw it as a threat to their wage levels - in fact continuous immigration to the USA has often been cited as a reason why no genuine 'workers' party developed there.

My main concern is the fear which many people have for globalization, and the fact that they feel powerless against it. Many people fear also that the politicians who they have voted for no longer have the power to change anything - that the nation state no longer has any sovereignty left. Add to this the destruction of community, which was a by product of the deindustrialization of England and you have a growth of a new type of narrow tribalism. Since Britain started to receive thousands of immigrants from eastern Europe ie. Poland, Rumania etc. who look more or less the same as ourselves, xenophobia has become more acceptable, because being anti Polish or anti Rumanian cannot be so easily identified as racism.

 

Racism is not the issue I welcome every creed and color into the country. What I cannot accept is any culture coming to the UK and attempting to impose its values on our society. If I go to Saudi I respect Saudi culture and rules and I expect the same in return. If any white, brown, black, yellow person comes to the UK I welcome them if they wish to live by our established rules within our established culture. Any person however who comes in and threatens my values I would like to see expelled or at least give me the power to fight on equal terms, give me a gun to fight t protect my family against extremists and give me the protection of the law to fight against my freedom of expression for Christian values.

 

Well said that man!!

 

"Christian Values " ..Discuss .
You might remember I consider myself an ol'fashioned lefty . I like much of what Mr Corbyn has to say ..although not everything and I don't think he has a chance of being elected PM .
I'm also someone who has been saying for the last decade or so that Britain will eventually become an Islamic state . I'm not happy about this , because I don't like the idea of anyone telling me or other's how to think ..I'm the same with Christians ... I have many friendly chats with my next door neighbour , our village female vicar ..but I do not agree with much of Christian teaching / hierarchy ( as a young man I did consider going to Bible college , with a view to entering ministry so not talking out of my bum here ) .
I do have a mild fear that some baddies are in amongst the legitimate refugee's ,( for whom I have feeling's of compassion ) . If just half of 1% have mischief on their minds , we could be in serious trouble . After all , ISIS were bragging that they are smuggling ISIS fighters into Europe via Libya .
....We live in interesting time's . I'm just grateful for Watford's current success , it's a glorious distraction from all the gloomy news the media pumps out .
A fantastic game on Saturday , lost my voice by games end .

 

A man who cared about his country and its future.
He saw the trouble in America at the time and had the balls to say that he did not want our country to go down the same path.
He actually cared for British citizens, which is against tory, labour or liberal policies.
Of course nowadays he would probably of joined UKIP.
To succeed as a politician, you must not give a **** about the future of your country.
You need to make as much money as you can and leave the country in deeper **** for the next conservative or labour moron.

 

It always amuses me when certain politicians from all sides have worn their Christian faith on their sleeves. I think it is fair to say Christ would most certainly not have approved of some of their actions...

 

Good point... and the UK as a nation has become more and more secular... which puts a different focus on its institutions and their values. Interesting article on the quandry Corbyn as a secular republican finds himself in, in the Independent this morning....

and the fact that our media pay more attention to that than the changes to family allowances/Tax credit that went through in parliament on the same day.

 

I'm sure Corbyn insulted the majority of traditional Labour voters amongst the many. His petty action had no regard for the very reason for being there, to honour our armed forces.

There is no need to hide the details of the excellent work being done by Osbourne and IDS to reduce the unsustainable rise in welfare payments. The tax credit system was a cynical tax bribe invented by Brown to win votes. All it does is to subsidise businesses with borrowed government money.

Amongst some on the left there is a complete denial of the effect of the UK's huge level of borrowing. The massive interest cost to service the debt obviously reduces our ability to fund worthwhile projects. If these interest rates rise, as they undoubtably will, then the effect will be even worse.
In my view ignoring the problem only passes it onto future generations, why should they suffer from Labour's financial irresponsibility?

 

I was a bit surprised they did that with tax credits to be honest. The mantra was about supporting hard pressed and hard working families (especially the "traditional" ones) and they'll be hit very hard. Yes, the logic that Govt shouldn't be supporting this and it should be employers might be sound but it is hard to deliver that and just seems a bit strange to me. It will definitely lose votes rather than win them that's for certain.

 

How do you arrive at the conclusion that he insulted either Britain's armed forces or Labour supporters ? He refrained from singing a song about Elizabeth Windsor. Why is it that so many people think that being royalist gives them a monopoly on patriotism when the royal family is not 'English` (in fact the whole thing of hereditary aristocracy was originally imposed upon the English from abroad - the Saxons having previously elected their Kings). The last Englishman to rule over England in that sense was Cromwell. I have never sung this stupid song, never would do, but still love England.

 

Businessman and Hull City football club owner Assem Allam has reportedly offered to support MPs who want to break away from Labour and launch a centrist party or defect to the Liberal Democrats.

Mr Allam, who has donated £720,000 to Labour since 2010, told The Times the party under Mr Corbyn was too left-wing and faced two or three further election defeats.

He said: "I will do anything I can if I am convinced they can form a strong opposition.

It is quite strange how some people are prepared to pay a political party to have their views heard. I have never been convinced that once the money has been handed over it makes a difference to the way policy is formed.

 

It would be a major step forward in democracy if such donations were forbidden.

 

Am I the only one to find it hilarious that a red-top has attacked Corbyn for not singing the Royal Anthem, but were quite happy to hack into the Royal's private phone conversations and publish the results?

I wonder which action upset her maj the most?

 

He has to pick and choose his battles and when he does and does not sacrifice his principles. He must have known the furore this was going to cause ) and I think it would have been better for him to have worn a proper suit and played along with it - he is not going to pick up votes as a result of that and one would have thought that was a key aim of being a leader of the opposition. You have to know your public and I'm not sure he does.