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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by TheSecondStain, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. SaintStu

    SaintStu Well-Known Member

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    The British public don't fit a left or right mould. They have socialist views on education and health, and right-wing views on welfare (except pensions), defence and immigration. The immigration prejudice is a huge barrier for left-wing politicians and to a lesser degree defence and external military action is an issue. Whereas right-wing politicians struggle with education and health. This is the main reason why they fight over the centre ground.
    The huge problem in politics is the lack of intelligent debates and the apathy of the electorate to find/listen to those debates. Add to that most of the media have vested interests in supressing those debates or compressing them into sound-bites leads to what we have today - a largely uninformed electorate that move from sound-bite to sound-bite, from band-wagon to band-wagon.
    Another 1st world problem.
     
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    Absolutely Stu and that is why referendum's scare me. The best media campaign wins.
     
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  3. Onionman

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    Indeed. And another is voter apathy.

    Before elections people should be shown things like this:

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    Voting in Afghanistan, under threat of death for voting

    and this:

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    Queueing to vote in South Africa after the end of apartheid.

    Not many indifferent people there.

    Vin
     
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  4. Beef

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    BBC are just as bad as the press in my opinion. They make up their own crap and do what they want without caring. People that think the BBC don't have a agenda are wrong.
     
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  5. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Perhaps, but the BBC are not hell-bent on curbing democracy.
     
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    Interesting choices, FLT. I met both, and liked them both as men of conviction and thoroughly decent human beings. I didn't agree with a single word Hague uttered, but he was a decent man. Attacking personality rather than policy trivialises politics, which seems to suit the gutter press.
     
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  7. Beef

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    The only reason they aren't attacking Corbyn yet is because they want to see his stance on the BBC. If he came out saying the public shouldn't be forced to pay the license fee they would be having shots as well. The press only give views of how their owners or higher ups feel, they are basically propaganda leaflets. It's the reason I hardly watch or read the news these days.
     
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  8. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    I've never known the BBC to openly attack any politician without cause, and if they have done so they have done it without favour to any political persuasion. They are a serious broadcasting corporation, not some attention seeking Fox News like channel, and have often been the public voice of protest when there has been weak parliamentary opposition and the Govts have stopped listening to the people. They have no serious agenda because they do not depend upon business, in the form of advertising or sponsors, to warp their news coverage. If they occasionally come across as having an agenda then perhaps they need to take more care over the individuals they employ. The political heavyweights of yesteryear, who were judged by their unforgiving neutrality are sadly diminishing, but that is as true of any other broadcaster as it is of the BBC.
     
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    There are better ways then openly attacking people anyways. I still think people think too highly of the BBC. Every one has a agenda at the end of the day. The BBC will do whatever it thinks will get them views or support.
     
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  10. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    I think you misunderstand the BBC's charter.
     
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    It's my view.
     
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  12. Onionman

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    A good guide to the neutrality of the BBC is that both parties regularly accuse the BBC of having bias against them. Suggests to me that they are getting it about right.

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  13. Beef

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    Labour party is saying Corbyn will sing the national anthem in the future. So newspapers won....

    When I talk about the BBC I am not just on about politics btw. Yes I see them as one of the better channels but that is about it.
     
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    Indeed. Age has given me the advantage over several [there's got to be at least one advantage, please] in that I can remember various political parties criticising the BBC over their political bias, over the years, be it left, right or centre. Never thought I'd hear the Liberals criticise the Beeb, because that is where the corporation tends to sit. However, they did. Paddy Ashdown, I think it was, the first time. The Beeb, if anything, tend to be even more political of parties who inhabit the same political zone as they do, which is as close to centre as possible, but with extremely wide scope. Most govts should be so well placed.
     
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    Did anyone watch the Panorama episode on Jeremy Corbyn? I can't remember the name of the guy who presented it but from what I could tell he was thoroughly anti-Corbyn which I was disappointed about. It's worth checking out if you have a spare 1/2 hour, it should still be on iPlayer.

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    On another Corbyn related note, the above image for me sums up why he will most likely never be elected or be given a chance by the public. It's a shame that the majority of people will take the headlines as gospel and not look for any context for the quotes.
     
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    Yes, I saw that list in Private Eye last week. I felt most sorry for Corbyn as some feminists on Women's Hour laid into him about the 'Female Only' carriages as being misogynist. No reference to what he actually said or the question which he was asked. For someone who's championed women's rights, supported women only shortlists, all before 'new men' were invented it must've irked.
     
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    The gf is obsessed with Japanese stuff. She just bought £45 of Japanese candy....
     
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    Eat that ****, the girl I'm seeing bought some chocolate/almond pocky which is outstanding. Also, some weird panda bear biscuits filled with white chocolate which are fire.

    I saved her the strawberry filled bears as strawberry filling is for savages.
     
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