Though im glad you let us have him (especially after today) but Monk wouldn't see us as direct competition and i think hes right, you'll still finish above us after 39 games and Dyer may help us take points off your other europa league competitors
It's not farcical because fans like myself feel aggrieved that we have let a better player than our backup go, weakening our squad and strengthening a direct rivals which Leicester are now! Also isn't debating these kind of things the whole point of football forums Dai if you care to look at the stats dyer trumped montero also on all aspects of the game apart from duels won which is understandable as his pass rate would be lower as a consequence.
And one more thing it's not a knee jerk reaction as dragon and myself said it was a mistake the second the news broke he was leaving
Get over it swan he has gone and that was the choice made for the benefit of dyer and the club....they know best we know sod all..
Im quite pessimistic i agree, but to me, we are yet to play against anyone else in any kind of form, our fixtures have certainly helped us, we have 2nd from bottom Stoke next. We certainly need as many points as possible before Dec as i don't see us getting anything, starting with you guys away.
Don't underestimate yourselves. I enjoy watching Leicester play because they go straight for the jugular everytime - probably one of the most attacking teams in the Prem.
This is so knee-jerk it's unreal. Dyer has had a decent 45 minutes for Leicester. Half a game. If he's still playing well after 10 games, let's have this debate then. Dyer has been in woeful form for us for almost 18 months - he scored some goals at the start of last season, but it papered over the cracks for me because I still could see that his performance levels were low even then. But goals write headlines, so he took some plaudits. Comparisons of stats to other players are meaningless. Dyer played most of his minutes off the bench against tiring defences, and when he did start it was in the cup against lower level opposition or against lower-level Premier League opposition - so hardly surprising that his stats were higher as Routledge was a starter on the right wing against most of the big boys last year. As I've said in my original post, I'll be hugely surprised if Dyer keeps up his form for more than 5-10 games. He's going to enjoy a honeymoon period where a fresh challenge and fresh surroundings will help him play with freedom to start off with. If he can stay focused and maintain his form, we could have a good player back to challenge the first team next season. If he doesn't maintain his form, well at least he's taking up a spot on someone else's bench instead of ours. One thing is for sure, both Dyer and Routledge are bang out of form as Swansea players and ideally both should have been shipped out and replaced. The only thing I'm not happy about is that we didn't bring in a winger so that we could have got rid of both of them. I'm certainly not unhappy that we got rid of a player who was stifling us in almost every game he played. We should have got rid of both of them.
How can it be knee jerk if it's something that has been stated from the start? Knee jerk is when you quickly start panicking. Also you forget in your argument that a lot of the time players struggle to make an impact as a sub! Gomis being a prime example. Although I do agree with your last paragraph
Agree with BK again. Top post. In an ideal world both Dyer and Routledge would have gone but as that didn't happen my preference would have been to keep both for cover for now. And swan: I said your Routledge v Dyer comparison was facile, not farcical. There's a big difference. My point about this debate being daft is that what's done is done. Spilled milk and all that. Whether Monk has made a mistake or not only time will tell.
Also you forget in your argument that a lot of the time players struggle to make an impact as a sub! Gomis being a prime example. Yes you did my bad!
We will recruit L&R wingers next season and both Dyer and Routs will be surplus to requirements and moved on imo. We need better now to progress further.
There's more than one way that this situation can be seen as knee-jerk - the definition of knee-jerk is not "quickly panicking", it's reacting automatically without rational thought. I stated in my post that in my opinion it's knee-jerk in the sense that this reaction has come even though Dyer has only played 45 minutes for Leicester. He may yet turn out to be a flop that we were happy we allowed to leave. Too many people are taking one decent performance in one half as reason enough that we shouldn't have let him go (i.e. a knee-jerk reaction) - without this 45 minutes and winning goal for Leicester, there would be no thread discussing Nathan Dyer. There are people out there that would have done the same had roles been reversed and Routledge was the one on loan at Leicester performing well. It's too soon to make a judgement on whether Dyer is going to be a success story that we shouldn't have let leave - especially when it's been done to death on this board that the majority were highly critical of his Swansea performances last season and wanted him gone, or at least not on the pitch. My point was not to completely diminish yours in stating where Dyer's game time came from - it was to show that you have to look beyond the stats. You've shown another reason to look beyond the stats and further establish this point. Dyer was struggling to make an impact as either starter or sub all of last season - so regardless of his stats and his comparison to Routledge (which I see as similar to comparing a sh*t with a turd), I'm glad he's no longer taking up a place in our match-day 17. Just need a good, young replacement and to send Routledge out on loan now too. PS. Maybe a little over the top with the sh*t/turd comment...but last season it genuinely felt like that. They of course have fabulous Swansea history and I have enough great memories of both players to right a book about alone - that won't ever be forgotten by me. Both have been fantastic servants and will rightly go into the Swansea history books as two of our best ever wingers.
Dyer did not even know he scored. He will get himself badly injured if he is not careful, the keeper should have been red carded for that challenge for dangerous play.....If it was the other way around the player would have been sent off.....
Has Dyer scored already?............................... Well what a surprise, I bet Monk choked on his mobile when he congratulated him...........................
Even before the Leicester debut I felt that it was wrong to let Dyer go for a whole season without recall. A run of injuries and we will regret not keeping him. Wingers are an important part of our play,and now we have had to recall the inexperienced Barrow as cover instead,who could only make the subs bench at Blackburn and never played a full game there. Dyer,with 4 seasons PL experience behind him should have stayed and his chance would have come.
Nah nathen was worse than useless for a long time and was never going to be picked for the first team and rightly so. His only option if he wanted to play is to go out on loan and i don't care if he stays there on a permanent as we have had the best out of him and we need better now, He cant complain as it was his form that he could not produce to a level we need, He has been handsomely rewarded for his time with us......He wont put on a swans first team shirt again imo.
