Look on the bright side he never mentioned the "Proletariat" or "religion is the opium of the masses" or the classic " Workers of the world unite,you have nothing to lose but your chains" from his Ladybird book of left wing politics.
You (and many like you) demonstrate the sad state of affairs that democracy is in this country. If that's the truth then heaven help us all.
...and a pompous, pious, sanctimonious prick like you, shows the sad state of affairs that our education system is in.
I've downed your argument, you came back with **** all but abuse, so you've got it back - with ****ing interest xxx
The idea that the centre orientated electorate left or right are somehow unprincipled or suffering from some kind of apathy is hilarious. They are always the deciding vote and actually vote so not that apathetic. They just arguably look at the finer details of policy rather than say "oh my dad and grandad were Labour men so I am too" I know which I consider lazier. There is a continual arrogance about the Labour party and members that the electorate have a lack of understanding rather than a knowledgeable rejection of a class war painted in a way they simply don't recognise. Take away the wars and as uncomfortable as it is for them to face. Why exactly did Blair win his elections. Call it Tory lite to make you feel better but its the direction the electorate voted for. Same goes for Cameron who other than on the issue of Europe has restrained his far right dogs successfully. The idea put forward that democracy is dead because people refuse to vote for the extreme of either end of the spectrum is laughable. Sounds very like the soviet union. "We won't have true democracy until everyone is forced to vbote for us!"
Wait a minute.....hang on.... Tobes..... You are saying that the masses, in Britain, nay worldwide, ARE NOT ignorant? Seriously? Most people I know wouldn't have a clue about politics. You forget, just because you are an old fossil who watches Jeremy Paxman, Question Time and that stupid show after Question Time with Paddy Ashdown and the black chick, doesn't mean every body does. In the wise words of Agent K: "A person is smart, but people are stupid!" The mass is INDEED very ****ing ignorant, especially when it comes to politics, which is why we even have this "50% middle of the road, easily swayed" bunch of ******s like you just mentioned. If everyone was clued up, then half the country wouldn't be sitting on the fence.
Agree the vast majority are politically ignorant. I've seen many an interview of supporters of Obama on why they voted for him, hardly one person said they voted for him for any reason of policy, with some even saying they voted for him because "he was black", or "he brought hope". Many will vote for Clinton because she is a woman, she will have the entire feminist vote because she is a woman, that irony is lost on femtards though Most people are utterly ignorant of politics and how it really works. Fewer still understand Realpolitik which is what really happens, not the public facing cack we get doled out. When I was 20 I couldn't have been more politically ignorant and everyone I knew was the same.
I tell you what, some of the stuff coming out of the lefties that support Corbyn is a bit much, but then again, it comes from all sides. Politics for the public has become so partisan. We're all like sports fans but with political parties
You somewhat missed the point. He decided that my opinion was that of - the ignorant masses - therefore making him the arbiter of what constitutes ignorance. My view was far from ignorant of the facts, and it was merely his way of attempting to patronise me with his faux superiority and assume the 'correct' stance on the subject. My view is simply different to his, his labelling it as ignorant was pompous and completely incorrect. The term 'ignorant masses' is an ugly phrase anyway, everyones level of interest and understanding is different. There's plenty of apathy towards politics these days and of course some who have no real knowledge or understanding of the facts, however, that cover all phrase is one that I'm not fond of.
Exactly the same here. Its only really been in the last 3 or 4 years, since I have had a family and am a homeowner etc that these sorts of things have become important to me. I suddenly became about £200 a month worse off when the coalition came into power (due to losing my Working Tax Credits), and thats what shocked me into thinking "Hang, maybe all these assholes talking bullshit on TV actually DO affect me and mine". My salary has doubled in the last 3 years so I am ineligible for Working tax credits now anyway, but my wife still gets child benefit. Its shocking that we are currently in a situation where people can work a 40 hour per week full time job and STILL need to rely on foodbanks and benefits to make ends meet, which is frankly, ****ing insane. If I was still on my 2010 salary now, I'd be one of those people.....
Something's gotta give. If at the top of the economy money is being taken out constantly, not reinvested, put into hedge funds, speculate on food, futures and so on, none of which creates any jobs. Then the rest goes into assets, gold land property art and other things that do not lose real value like money does. This without even getting into how you can avoid so much tax only if you actually have a lot of cash Whilst all these ****s can circumvent the robbery that is inflation and quantitative easing as well as paying their taxes, you and I are stuck with the fallout.
I see what you are saying. Thing is, people like Corbyn are a real danger. What politics lacks, worldwide (and especially in the US) is common sense. I am more left than right for sure, but Corbyn, I think, would be a disaster. The danger is that he is completely different to any political leaders we have had in the last 30 years and that alone may give him a shot. There are a lot of disgruntled people who do not know enough about politics who may vote Corbyn in because he is seen as a "Peoples champion" of sorts. Before, if the media were not on your side, you stood no chance, but now youngsters are becoming so hipster, without even researching the facts, that someone with radical leanings (left or right) may get into power in the near future. We are currently seeing the same thing in America with Donald Trump, except he is far right instead of left, he isn't a politician, he is a salesman, a very rich one, but a salesman nonetheless, because of his fortune, he is not bound to any financial backers and owned by corporations as most politicians are, and he is very blunt, and some people find that endearing in someone running for office when a lot of politicians are shady ****ers. Only problem is, he is thick as two short planks and has the mind of a ****ing child, and is ID personified, his policies sound ****ing insane (building a wall to seperate mexico from the US), he knows nothing of military, he didn't even know, when questioned, who Abu al-baghdadi was (Leader of ISIS) and he gets involved in Twitter flame wars with celebrities and TV hosts, calling them babies, and dum dums and losers. He would be catastrophic as President. Same as Corbyn would be as Prime Minister, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Didn't the Tories say the exact same thing about Thatcher and her neoliberal movement when they hijacked the Tories, "she will make the party unelectable for decades" and all of that. That went well While independent onlookers might have some valid points about Corbyn, the neoliberal labour are certainly only looking to protect their own fifedom, they really do not give a **** about you or I
The UK was on it's arse post the winter of discontent when Thatcher arrived on the scene. Strikes, power cuts and there was a massive clamour for change. So that's a meaningless comparison to where we are today. The UK in 2019 isn't going to be anywhere near that point. As I've said until I'm blue in the face on this thread, it's the centre ground that will decide the next election - same as every other one! And they're not going to be at the point of desperation, when even a maverick like Corbyn might seem a genuinely attractive alternative. Why should 'neoliberal' Labour give a **** about you btw?
I wouldn't be too sure of that mate. The country may not be in as bad a state as back then, but the attitudes of folk, especially youngsters, has a larger sense of entitlement these days.
But it won't be potentially disgruntled youngsters who decide the election mate....... For ANY poiltical party to beat the Tories, then they have to take a significant proportion of their heartlands - the home counties. Corbyn has as much chance of conquering that area, as I have of winning the tour de france.
