1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Off-Topic Thread (Anything Non-Football Related)

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by TheOXOCube:5pur2, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    123,677
    Likes Received:
    71,836
    He's probably quite relieved on slightly perverse and self-interested level, because increasing the numbers of refugees will allow him to dodge his own net migration targets and blame it on the Syrians instead.
     
    #1121
  2. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2011
    Messages:
    23,953
    Likes Received:
    5,585
    This country already has thousands of immigrants that are already living here illegally. The past governments of both labour,tory and lib/tory admitted they dont have a clue how many there are. ....However these people fleeing war torn countries must be helped and every country must play its part but taking more immigrants is not the answer. We need troops on the ground to protect these people so the don't have the need to flee and blast Isis to extinction. with every western country involved it would not take many troops from each country and could come under one leader from whatever country to lead a combined force.....
     
    #1122
  3. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    I have no idea if this is true or not, but do you have evidence to back this assertion? Even if it's true, the population of the UK is about 64 million. So 'thousands' of illegal immigrants would constitute a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people.

    Out of curiosity, what is the issue with the country taking in more migrants? Surely we would benefit from it? I don't understand this idea that we're 'overflowing' with immigrants, it just simply isn't true.

    If we're going to be brutally honest here, any western country, without any help from any of their allies, could destroy ISIS if they wanted to due to superior military weaponry and intelligence. The main reason that they aren't is because it doesn't suit the interests of the leaders.

    However, I recall a while back that David Cameron was proposing air strikes in Syria which was rightfully voted down. Air strikes put a significant amount of innocent civilians at risk of being killed and it would completely destroy the infrastructure of the cities (even though a lot have already been wrecked). For example, in Iraq, there have been 128 deaths for each 1 target that has been hit by drone strikes or bombs. My view is that we don't need to use such drastic measures to eradicate a small number of buffoons.
     
    #1123
    Smirnoffpriest likes this.
  4. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2011
    Messages:
    23,953
    Likes Received:
    5,585
    We are a very small island compared to most of Europe and we have hundreds of food banks feeding the poor and until we sort that out we should not accept anymore that will only make things worse. send them all home with military protection so they can live in their own country........We cannot take any more, they have flooded the country to excess this past decade, help them to help themselves....
     
    #1124
  5. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    We are one of the richest nations in the world and we have a record number of people using food banks. The issue is not immigrants, it is the government for not utilising their funds properly and cutting public services.
     
    #1125
    PleaseNotPoll and PINKIE like this.
  6. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2011
    Messages:
    23,953
    Likes Received:
    5,585
    so they put immigrants first before any of our poor.......i would call that shocking and they need to get their priorities right first.......there are no excuses, we give millions in aid so use that...
     
    #1126

  7. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    They're not putting immigrants before the poor! They're putting themselves before everyone else!

    Almost half (40%) of the foreign aid budget goes to organizations like the United Nations. Then the bulk of the rest is sent to 5 other countries which involve development programmes.

    You're absolutely right that it is shocking that the government haven't got their priorities straight, but immigrants shouldn't have to pay the price for government not spending their money in the right areas whilst unnecessarily cutting services.
     
    #1127
    PleaseNotPoll likes this.
  8. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,913
    Likes Received:
    1,083
    The reasons that the poor in this country don't have enough basic rights or provisions or that the nhs is terminally under funded has nothing to do with immigration (even though we are not talking about migration in this case but refugees). It is a political decision by this government and the last to attack the most vulnerable in society with their extreme budget cuts, and to blame the poor and any minority, including immigrants for the banking crash, the recession and the deficit.

    The country has more than enough money to pay for our poor, find our nhs and give everyone a fair living standard, so they don't have to rely on food banks and the such. Leading economics have stated ways we can do this, indeed Jeremy corbyns whole economic plan is backed by leading economics.

    But people need to be careful of falling into the trap of believing that the governments ideological driven cuts that hurt those at the bottom are the fault of a minority that has no power in this country - be they benefits claimants, socialists, immigrants or public sector workers (fair enough that last has some power).

    We have only accepted 216 people from the Syrian conflict so far, despite knowing of the torture of its civilians by the Syrian secret police, the dire predicament of civilians who have been bombed out of cities, towns and villages repeatedly across Syria, thereatened with death, biological war and untold horrors, then been forced to flea the lives they'd built and their very country for the past 2 years, and knowing of the terrible conditions in the refugee camps. This 216 people is not to blame for our stagnating economy, the welfare cuts, the attacks our human rights, our workers rights, the cuts to the nhs, or the privatisation of nearly every part of British society.


    But more importantly I want to help the millions of desperate Britons, while not allowing thousands to die on our border in one of the biggest humanitarian crisis' in recent times.

    You do realise what happens when you send military into a country in the midst of internal strife or civil war (don't be fooled that there's no supporters of Assad in Syria), look at Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya (every single time any foreign power has gone in), it has lead to armed groups raising up against the foreign army, fighting guerrilla warfare, hiding amongst the populace. The foreign army then generally sees the most cost effective method of suppression to be blowing up parts of the country with air strikes, killing significant amounts of civilians. This then, obviously, annoys the surviving people and turns the local populace against the foreign army. This leads to extremism and facism to run amoke, which further exacerbates things.

    We have consistently undermined and destabilised the regions for decades, situations like this are a direct result. To then turn our back, let these people die, treating them as nothing more than an inconvince or at worst vermin, would be one of the greatest scandals of our time. It would also underline how quickly Europe is embracing far rights policies...
     
    #1128
    BrunelGooner likes this.
  9. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,913
    Likes Received:
    1,083
    Sorry man for not replying quickly.

    My solution is simple, it's the human solution - everyone in Europe needs to take a fair share of the refugees, we should show the Great in Great Britain by taking a lead and shaming other countries into treating these people as just that - people. We can easily afford it.

    Tbh the problem with our country is the baby boomers, we have a hugely ageing population with older people living longer, being more active and consuming more. Problem is the two solutions are only workable in some futuristic horror film - either ship all oaps out to an island somewhere or invoke the Solent Green policy! Lol.

    But realistically we need more working age people to create wealth to pay for the pensions and services needed for everyone, which is why immigration has been such a massive boost to the economy - despite Cameron missing his ridiculously unrealistic target to halve immigration in his 1st 5 years - when it actually increased.

    As well as this I'd have Britain to use its influence to the Un to pull its finger out - send in peace keepers to Syria, put pressure on Assad to hold democratic elections or stand down and put in place a cease fire and much needed reforms. We can then target aid to the poor regions of Syria and stop the flow of people leaving the country.
     
    #1129
  10. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    18,041
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Smirnoff & Brunel,
    I have deleted your posts so I can remove that photo <ok>
     
    #1130
  11. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,913
    Likes Received:
    1,083
    Fair enough - needed to be deleted. <ok>

    I did think that I was sharing the image by replying to it but felt it needed a response
     
    #1131
  12. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,338
    Likes Received:
    1,641
    What was the image?
     
    #1132
  13. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    18,041
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Let's just say it was racist & islamophobic <ok>
     
    #1133
  14. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,338
    Likes Received:
    1,641
    Nuff said gŵr bonheddig.
     
    #1134
  15. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    18,041
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    **** off you sheep shagging Welsh **** <whistle>
     
    #1135
  16. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    Is the whole arsenal board welsh....?
     
    #1136
    Smirnoffpriest likes this.
  17. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,338
    Likes Received:
    1,641
    Nope not Welsh but have Welsh family. Born and bred in Norf London.
     
    #1137
  18. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    18,041
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    ****ing half breed sheep shagging Welsh **** <grr>
     
    #1138
    afcftw and Smirnoffpriest like this.
  19. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,338
    Likes Received:
    1,641
    . <laugh>
     
    #1139
  20. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,913
    Likes Received:
    1,083
    You mean Llundain...
     
    #1140
    lazarus20000 likes this.

Share This Page