The rounds of discussions and theories regarding the current catastrophic refugee crisis developing like a flesh eating disease without any chance of respite brings me to the topic of political correctness. The entire world seems to spend more time and energy deciding what is correct, and what is not, focusing more on the succinct terminology in a vain attempt to convince a hostile complainant that they are not really a target. Although what I'm about to mention is a uniquely Canadian problem it is an issue that raises it's ugly head in the national media every single day and to be blunt I'm sick to the back teeth with hearing it and wishing it would go away. Constant commissions and hearings (at great expense to the taxpayer I might add) are held and the findings published, only for the supposed harmed parties to complain that nobody had really listened to their complaints and so more fruitless hearings continue in perpetuity. The issue is that so many aboriginal women have gone missing whilst living rough on the streets and engaging in some unsafe practices such as drugs and prostitution. They are usually relatively young (15-25) and have left their kids back home for the grandparents to bring up while they decide to experience a different way of life. Over 1,500 women have gone missing and most of them are aboriginal, which has led to many millions being spent on what is essentially a lost cause, but the spending and apologising in a politically correct way appears to be preferred over actually doing something with the problem. This thread was not intended as a lesson in Canadian history, along with all it's trials, mistakes and tribulations, but as a lesson in how political correctness in our lives is generally only applied to totally unfixable problems, like the Syrian refugee catastrophe. The solution here in Canada is so simple, but correctness stands in it's way as always, because until you get better parenting skills in the aboriginal communities the problem will never be fixed and will continue to blight the Canadian populace forever. Similar issues blight the Middle East with nobody seeming to be able, or willing, to come up with a solution any time soon. Until a generation is taught to accept a life without conflict, or the need to throw their beliefs on the rest of the world, we can never expect peace. How many times have we heard that a group of international politicians have found a viable peace process for the Middle East only to find out a week later that is has been thrown out the window along with common sense? You can't legislate stupidity, or refusal to accept the obvious, but it might help if everyone intending to buy their offspring an AK-47 for their birthday, or in the Canadian example a bus ticket to the big city, think again about what their lessons have taught the world's possible future leaders. Right now those life lessons are taking us down a dangerous path to who knows where, and it's not the future generation that is the problem but it is the lessons they are taught. Changing today's lessons might give us a chance, but don't hold your breath.
IMHO Political correctness is also a total and utter waste of time Mike. It's become a byword for self pity, playing the game and undermining the majority. I'm not talking about people who are genuinely abused for their race, colour, or beliefs. That should carry the full weight of the law. But as with the immigrant situation, my unhappiness lies with those who call foul for no reason. And they do it because they are allowed to, and because they know how to, and everyone bows down to them. It's a different subject matter, but we're almost going full circle here and harking back to the handful of people who stopped the Ashton Vale project. They did it, not because it was the right thing to do, but mainly just because they could, and would be allowed to waste time and money lodging complaints about wanting to walk their make believe dogs on a piece of industrial wasteland. We are now so frightened of offending other people it's become like trying to run through treacle, especially in the corporate world. Those of a certain mind set have also used the whole PC thing to their absolute advantage to try and con other people and employers in terms of time off and millions and millions of pounds in compensation. So if you are a one legged, blind, deaf, mute, Muslim lesbian dwarf then you're sitting (or perhaps hopping) on a fortune. I can't be doing with it. I've worked all over the world with many races and nationalities, but PC is at its worst in the UK and USA. I worked at a large London Council for 15 months until earlier this year. There, ethnically, I was in the minority by a considerable degree. But what I found was that it was ok for people to sit at their desk and read the Koran all day, but it was not ok for a Christian to wear a cross outside of a blouse. Double standards at it's best. And of course the Christian backed down. Too worried about what the ramifications might be if she caused a fuss and took a stand. I find we live in an increasingly unreal world where we allow all of this nonsense to go on around us without ever fighting back or making a stand for the honest bloke on the street who doesn't want this crap. We as the law abiding peaceful citizens who despite our (I suspect) dinosaur views, mind our own business in our little and unimportant lives, are totally powerless to change anything, and those in power don't have a clue, or even want to do the right thing by their own citizens. They would rather appease the often undeserving. What is the saying about the squeaky wheel again.....?
If, as most of them say, the reason they are fleeing their homeland is because of fear of persecution, then why do they all want to come to UK, Germany, France etc?? I think the EU should say to any countries waiting to join the EU and to those countries who have had Hugh EU handouts, such as Spain, Greece, Portugal and Ireland should take a sizeable chunk of these immigrants as payback.
Sorry to disturb your cosy view that the whole World is clambouring to get into the UK, Germany or France, but the vaste majority of refugees are in neighbouring countries. Pakistan plays host to 2.6 million refugees, Jordan 2.48 million (one for every 3 local inhabitants), Syria itself 1.25 million, Lebanon 1.17 million (a quarter of its population) and Turkey 1.63 million. Britain in contrast has over 300 inhabitants to every one refugee.
Your point being what exactly ? We've established these migrants/refuges or whatever you want to call them are Muslims. All of the countries you've listed with the exception of Lebanon are 90% or more Muslim so what's the issue ? In terms of capacity Pakistan is also huge as is Turkey when compared to the UK. And in terms of your statement that Britain in contrast has over 300 inhabitants to every one refugee. That's one too many for my liking. It should be zero for every 300 inhabitants, as should our tolerance to all of this crap be.
My point is that Britain is not taking its fair share of refugees. Even in comparison to other European countries. Germany has one refugee to every 144 people, Sweden one to 107, the Netherlands one to 222, Switzerland one to 154, Austria one to 177 and Norway one to 119. Britain takes comparatively few yet makes one hell of a lot of noise about the few it does take. Despite the fact that Britain is a major international player when it comes to interfering in World matters, is an exporter of weapons (and therefore war and instability) and also a major polluter (when we eventually come down to environmental refugees) - but is much less forthcoming when it comes to taking over responsibility.
Political correctness goes both ways. For every wannabe intellectual that uses offence as a weapon to push their own beliefs you get a Sun reading chav that wants all the immigrants out because "dey took er jerbs". At football grounds you tend to get more of the latter, and they hate what the left side do so much that they embody the other side, and become wannabe Jeremy Clarkson's. Both are as ****ing stupid as the other.
We have British families and children living in poverty within our own towns and cities, which proves we cant look after our own people properly, but you still want us to pander to the rest of the world and take in more misfits? I don't think so. We should take no refugees. There is plenty of room in the world elsewhere. This country is already full of worthless, scrounging people from around the world that we pay to help via our taxes and who offer us nothing in return for a safe haven to idle away their lives in comfort. Meanwhile the ones that have already blighted our shores enjoy turning areas of our towns into no-go, non English speaking ghettos. Brilliant. This country should not be a open door for everyone elses cast offs.
You are confusing two issues here - general immigration and refugees, they are not the same. One in 300 does not constitute a ghetto or a no go area. If Britain is not taking care of all of its citizens then that is not because of lack of resources, or the fault of immigrants or refugees, but rather because of the immense concentrations of wealth in just a few hands which you have in the UK. Try blaming the bankers or other parasites for that rather than the immigrants. And since when was a person fleeing for his life from weapons which we probably made, and who consequently needs our help, a cast off ?
I made exactly this point in another thread - there is a difference between those refugees fleeing conflict/persecution as most of those from Syria are doing, and those economic migrants who want to come here for work (or worse just to claim benefits) The difficulty is identifying which group people fall into - as we know the process is not a quick one, which in its self leads to backlogs and more problems. Let's not forget - these are human beings
Give it a while before there's a terrorist outrage and you wont see our Hornet friend, or any other Luvvie, for dust. You can bet your life, and ours Hornet, that there are hundreds possibly thousands of fanatics amongst the hordes coming to Europe. 'Let's not forget - these are human beings' that these fanatics will kill with no hesitation. And those 2 'British' IS fighters killed the other day. They're no more British than fly. Nor are the communities they come from.
That's why they are trying to get away from Syria - because a bunch of nutjobs are killing everyone that does not agree with them The ordinary people of Syria are not responsible for what these people do - they are the victims.
Answer this question why are they passing many safe areas on their borders to come to the uk. Answer the question if you can. i can the country is a soft touch. My kids, and there kids, are going to live in a country that my father and his father would turn in there graves. The country is becoming more unstable by the week,and it will only get worse.
I make no distinction Simon, sorry. The country is full and we should worry about our own people, but we don't even do that. Therefore why should we worry about others ? I don't.
As a sort of outsider looking in, every time I visit the country of my birth I shudder at what it has become. That is a land of, as Ender says, of scroungers, complainers and others who want to turn your country in to a land that demonises anything that doesn't agree with them and their ideologies. I would suggest they be sent to the Arctic but they probably would complain that their fridge is too small. The world is becoming an even bigger nightmare with each passing minute and until someone with a brain on both sides of any conflict can sit down and work it out so all benefit we don't stand a chance. Why on earth would a country like England take on such a poisoned chalice that could see what's left of it's national identity disappear down the toilet? Is it because someone else told us to or is it more likely that our old friend "political correctness" has entered the room? Using the excuse of religion as a reason why just makes the mess more impossible to solve, and you only have to look back through history to understand the primary, if not sole, reason the vast majority of conflicts in the first place. Apathy solves nothing and allowing others to dictate policies, when they have nothing but their own self interest in mind, is a recipe for something you won't like. Who came up with the brilliant idea that allowing mass immigration to England would enhance the cultural life of the nation by allowing other peoples to blend seamlessly in to society, thereby enhancing the overall life experience and the admiration of the world. Look around and tell me that it doesn't lead to ghettoization, isolation and resentment from the general public and the peoples involved. Bad news on that front I'm afraid because Europe, and a large part of the rest of the world, can't believe that the country that uttered "And this was their finest hour" has capitulated without a murmur and turned memories of traditions long held high to dust, probably never to be resurrected.
"cosy view of the world" thats rich.. '300 inhabitants to every one refugee' Good lets keep it that way! these refugees are throwing away the food given to them, seem to be mainly young males capable of violence to get what they want and ISIS was telling us only months ago they would flood Europe with their soldiers and we would not know what hit us once they did! We are mugs of the highest order and should they get an upper hand, you're gonna find they won't be sharing your 'morally superior' views on life and sadly it may take the loss of people you know or love in some atrocity for you to re-think.
Mugs of right wing propaganda As to religion, why should only Muslim countries accept Muslim refugees, 99.9% of Muslims are normal human beings and not terrorists or radicals. Don't confuse Isis with what Islam stands for. Political correctness gone mad is not an excuse to be an islamaphobic racist and biggot. The general message of all religions is to help out everyone in need and not segregate so everyone should be taking their fair share of all nationals regardless of religion or race. I am fed up with people using religion, immigration and other derogatory terms to describe refugees in need of help.
Reading all the silly responses about immigration on here, I wish many of you would just be honest when it comes to the immigration debate, and just say that they don't like people of other races. It's plain for many of us to see, but many of you want to hide behind the idea of "Britain being full" or "helping people that wouldn't help us".
I'll say that again for you, because I am equally fed up of listening to left wing propaganda that doesn't offer any answers but only moral subjection.. I am also fully aware of the difference between ISIS and Islam.. tell that to the many Islamists in this country who refuse to criticise the atrocities carried out in their name, this is no longer a few odd fundamentalists around the country who can be ignored.
