Sorry, OLM - It's Too Important

Israel is a tiny, heavily populated country surrounded by Arab nations determined to obliterate it. Israel cannot be considered a safe haven for non-Muslim Syrians. I'd go so far as to say non-Muslim Syrians are compromising any hope of ever safely returning home if they took refuge in Israel.

But you miss the point here. For example, why are there so many Tamil refugees in Europe? Or Canada for that matter? Sri Lankan Tamils have certainly been persecuted by the Sinhalese, but I should have thought the nearest safe haven to Sri Lanka for a Tamil was just across Palk Strait in Tamil Nadu. Guess what; they even speak Tamil in Tamil Nadu. Don't get me wrong, I like Tamils and have worked closely with them, and they do work hard, but they are keen to travel a long way to improve their lifestyle as they see it.

 

It would but there are too many variables already preventing that. We're all a bit guilty of tribalism in some form or another. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar.

 

Don't think that's been suggested - what is suggested is that Hull is the number 1 destination and this is true.

Hull was basically picked by the Government/Whitehall around 15 years a go to be the main destination for Iraqi Kurds - and these people were told to go to Hull - just as other places in the UK were chosen for other demographics.

 

I am a liar. My son says I am a refugee from England. I say no, I am a refugee from Hull. Heaven knows why I still follow Hull City, but there we are ...

 

Can we have a civil war so I can flee to Monaco?

 

If Israel suffered a devastating civil war, how many Israeli refugees do you reckon neighbouring Arab countries would take in? We don't live in a progressive world where internationalism is a view held by every single person on the planet. I'm sure if Syria was a stable country and many Israeli refugees were seeking refuge there, many Syrians would object because of petty nationalism and religious differences.

 

Erm, so you differentiate between Hull and other cities? Therefore, you have a tribalistic bond to the city of Hull. That was my point...

 

Amazing no one gave a **** until this 3 year old is washed up in Greece! This civil war hasn't just started overnight!

 

Right, because they're all going to settle down in Harrogate, the Cotswolds and Dorset...

 

I have not been able to read the ongoing discussion, but I agree the world is having to come to terms with horrendous problems of displaced people.
I do not see what a banner at a football game is going to achieve, as immigrants are ten deep on our borders anyway and they have passed through a number of secure countries to get there. I would rather it be left to the Government to do their job, which they do seem to be doing.
The talk of the men standing and fighting is ridiculous, the bloodshed and abuse will be beyond the experience of most, as it's very different to something on a tv screen; their overriding priority must to the safety of their loved ones and even then there are the real tragedies of escape.
There are no easy answers, none at all. Perhaps, if anything, the fit young men and women might consider being trained as a dedicated fighting force that could return, under the right circumstances, to help return some semblance of order and democracy (which they never had in the first place) - it's what the occupied countries did in WW2 - I'm sure we have plenty of experienced (ex)soldiers to do a good job, we certainly have the facilities. If they want a Standard, they could our Ebenezer banner, because it frightens the bejeezus out of me!

 

There is plenty of empty accommodation in Monaco between September and June. The place is pretty much deserted at times. But they are very fussy about issuing a Carte de Sejour. You need a rich sponsor, such as a German posing as a shipping agent in Fontvielle who in in fact administers Swiss bank accounts for descendants of Alfried Krupp, and tries to diddle Nat Rothschild with a gin palace yacht he cannot build.

Nat Rothschild isn't easy to diddle and doesn't like Nazi lackies.

http://www.superyachtnews.com/busin...or_rothschilds_yacht_goes_to_arbitration.html

 

Or Terrington, or Ouseburn

 

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....migration-overall-attitudes-and-level-concern

This study strongly suggests the majority of people in Britain favour immigration being reduced a lot. Economic migrants and refugees are quite different issues but it appears most people in Britain don't share the internationalist dream of a borderless planet many on this forum have.

For the record, I think we probably should take more refugees not just from Syria but elsewhere as well. My concern is that there seems to be a large preference by refugees in favour of rich northern European countries like Britain, Germany and the Scandinavian nations. Beggers can't be choosers and if I was fleeing Syria, I'd be very, very happy I was in a peaceful country like Turkey, Hungary, Greece, Macedonia or Italy.

 

Gaderene swine. The argument put forward by the majority doesn't have to be right. Why would anyone want to use the viewpoint of IQ100 to guide our public affairs? Seems a bit arrogant to me, but I concede the intelligent among us are frequently unpopular.

I see we agree about nearest safe haven.

http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/The Gadarene Swine Fallacy.htm

 

Spot on. This ^^^^^^^.

 

A bit elitist, don't you think? Anyway, this entire thread is based on the premise that if a few football fans wave a banner it will somehow influence government policy.

I guess we should do away with parliamentary democracy and adopt Plato's concept of the 'philosopher king' as an absolute monarch who 'rules in our best interests'.

 

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/egyptian-billionaire-wants-to-buy-an-island-to-house-refugees

I'm not sure how serious he's being but it sounds like an amazing idea.

 

No one tells him how to solve the refugee crisis.

 

Have you seen his CV?