Mafia XI - An Unknown Evil -GAMEOVER Town/Anarchist Victory!

Mito is adamant about killing gerrez and afc.

So for that reason im voting MITO @Milk.

Although there's one or two others im not sure of.

 

Indeed not a great night for me haha, defended Lucaaas and was certain Tobes and Biscan were aligned which they were, and then when someone else aligned themselves with them and with them flipping on you and afc and also going after Lucaaas it seemed numbers-wise and through their play, where it seemed like they were focusing on simple things and keeping the town distracted on the big controversies, that they were mafia. Lesson learned in regard to the numbers in this set-up though - standard mafia logic can not be applied for role-hunting! Biscan wasn't really pointing the finger at me for anything other than being suspicious of him and defending Lucaaas and then post-death accusing me and afc (?) of killing him, which nevermind being against the rules is also pretty unlikely as if I wanted to kill him there's no way I would have so openly challenged and aligned myself against him. I'm guessing they got taken down because they were so clearly aligned that both mafia teams thought they were the members of the other mafia team.

You read my mind, pretty much, these are the important questions. Especially can't believe no.1 hasn't been raised yet, were they not actually strictly town or were they going to bring JPF back as like a Frankenstein's monster who didn't have his previous mafia role? And I'm trying to wrangle my head around no.6 too, so we must have two mafia teams and we know the other mafia team protected Lucaaas last night (Unless Lucaaas was a teleporting bodyguard or was Mr. Stretcho and could slap the gun out of their hand whilst still in the bath) and that either Lucaaas or the other team's bodyguard protected Gerrez, which is pretty hard to get a motive for that isn't Gerrez being on his team? Only thing I can even think of is that that team felt so safe they didn't even feel the need to protect themselves and instead protected Gerrez hoping to keep him alive to keep everyone focused on this surfer crap. But that's perhaps a bit of a stretch. Unless there's two mafia bodyguard and a town bodyguard... I have to say the hardest thing about game so far is the names of the bloody roles haha! 2 Occult Brotherhoods, 2 or 3 Bodyguards, 3 'Assassins', Holy Man, Holy Arrow... Christ!

*EDIT* Also dead people should really stop liking posts.

 

interesting call here valley. you are aligning with the guys who've been all over the board building a huge web of a story based on picking up bits and pieces out of posts here and there.

I am not going to rejump on anything now and am looking at the cold facts this morning.

 

so what assumptions am i making before my analysis starts then? Or are you talking to style.

Tell me why again i should not vote for you and why you have done what you have done. I think AFC is just following your lead.

 

I'd say it was bloody obvious the town was going to try and kill me whilst AFC was under threat of being lynched. Protecting me causes further confusion and allows the evil guys to hide for longer.

People only have to look have to look at the numbers and roles that Astro and AFC have posted, if AFC and I were dodgy the numbers would heavily favour the evil side of this game. Like everyone else, I had a ready made excuse not to post on Monday but I didn't hide despite knowing I'd get attention before too long if I posted. If i were evil, I'd have taken that opportunity!

#cawabunga

 

Yet more ignorance from MITO

#dude

 

OK another long post from me, I've finally caught up.

Not as good a night as Night 1 but we got a lot more info tonight. We lost 2 innocents but we now know there are 3 evil teams.
I'll post my ideas on the game setup just now, and I want to reply to a few good posts made by Astro (about Holy Assassin guy and his list of questions) and afc (about the roles in the game), and comment on Gerrez's role as well.

GAME SETUP
I know we're flying blind so only the Medium knows the full setup, but I've been trying to guess what the overall setup looks like in terms of Good vs Evil.
What has been confusing me is how many bad guys have been dying. Usually it's just innocent after innocent being killed, and yet we've only lost 2 good guys and 4 bad guys (ACS twice) from 3 separate teams.

After Day 1 I thought there were 2 evil teams, we now know there are at least 3. This makes a lot more sense to me, usually if there are only 1 or 2 evil teams there are many more townies and they keep getting killed. With 3 or more evil teams they are expected to take each other out, so it would still be balanced if the Town team is smaller. Especially so if the town team all have roles, which I believe to be the case (and other have pointed this out too).

So like afc's post this is my guess how the game was set up:

1 Good vs 3 Evil teams.

Evil team 1: Skull Cult [3 members]
High Priest, Assassin, Bodyguard

Evil team 2: Blood Cult [3 members]
High Priest, Assassin, Bodyguard

Evil team 3: Team Baphomet [Probably 2 members]
Shaman, Assassin
Can recruit by raising up dead people (as seen with ACS), so that's why I would guess they start with 2 people as they can grow.
Perhaps they can only raise one person, or more than one. I would guess just the 1st person that dies, so they end up with 3 people like the 2 cults.

Good team: Town. [Probably 10 members]
That leaves town with 10 of the original 18 people. Mito you'll know more about if this is balanced or not, but I guess that would be affected a lot by how strong the roles are.
I'm now leaning towards the surfers telling the truth as it fits in with my theory of all townies having roles, even if the roles aren't that useful (sorry surfers, I can't see how you can affect the game that much except drive us mad. But maybe that's the idea, to stop the strategising by flooding the board with posts). Likewise the Scientists can resurrect someone presumably but it's still not such a strong role like a killer or investigative role.
I would predict some of the town roles are
1 Medium.
2 Surfers. (More on this below)
2 Scientists.
1 Holy Assassin. (More on this below)
1+ investigators (More on this below)
Perhaps another killer role like the vigilante. There are 3 killers other than the holy guy, assuming 2 are cult killers and the third is either Baphomet or Town.
Another 2 or 3 roles, not going to speculate too much.

Investigator(s):
There is definitely at least one investigator, Milk's post after Night 1 said "Investigation PMs shall be sent in a few minutes..." (Pg34). The fact he said PMs (plural) made me assume there are 2, so either town has 2 investigators (probably a 100% accurate detective and one who is not always accurate as seen in previous games) or 1 investigator and the Holy Assassin (discussed below).
We have not received any investigation reports so I can only assume that they investigated town roles, or they investigated evil guys that were already under suspicion or were killed.

Holy Assassin:
My theory when seeing the holy water thing was that if he targets an Evil guy, he uses a holy arrow and kills him. If he targets a Good guy, he uses holy water which then proves he is innocent.
However reading Astro's theory I think it is more likely. He can't kill every night, so killls night 1 and then investigates night 2, that's exactly how holy water works (burns evil and no effect on good guys). It also ties up to my above point about Milk sending out multiple investigation results on a single night.

Surfers:
The minute I saw Lucaaas protect Gerrez I thoought "AHA, busted! They must be on the same team." However seeing Gerrez's PM c&p I tend to revert back to my original thoughts that Gerrez has played the surfer role from the start, I can't see him doing that if he was in Lucaaas team. I'm still worried about why afc did not do the same from the start and only did so later, but his posts have been more pro-town lately. @Gerrez why would Lucaaas protect you though, it makes no sense to me?

I'll reply to Astro's list of questions in the next post and give my view on it.

 

That's my hope but does still give cause for concern. And that was my logic for Lucaaas being innocent too, but turns out this game is even more batshit than could be imagined haha, and anyway in that scenario you'd just be part of one of the mafia teams.

Thinking about it now it seems the likeliest answers are that either the Bodyguards can't protect their own team (Which would make it a fairly flimsy role) or they probably more likely now that we haven't seen notice of any recruits, that they don't know who their team is. Going back to the notice in the first KP, the High Priest telling the Assassin to 'assemble the team', that could be read as either a recruit power being passed on or bringing together a team who don't know each other. Perhaps the 'unknown evil' isn't because the evil is unknown to the innocent, but to each other.

Conspiracies are now starting to form in my head, gonna do some reading...

 

That was a response to Style who was making the assumption that I was protected by a dodgy bodyguard.

Like most, I have no idea why the bodyguard protected and I have no idea if he's evil or friendly either.

I've not said you're making assumptions, I've said that you're repeatedly pulling up day ones activities and claiming they have taking place throughout the game whilst constantly attacking me which is just plain incorrect. AFC and I have been consistent since the start of day two after ****ing about on day one.

You are playing differently to how you usually play. You also know how AFC and I play so you would know that drawing attention to ourselves if we were evil wouldn't happen. We could have both easily have hidden on day one but I didn't despite knowing I'd get attention for using surfer words.

Dude

 

Astro - Questions:

Based on my above theories and thought my views on your questions are:


Why were the mad scientists trying to revive Judean?
I think it is a game mechanic for them to increase their team, like Baphomet could increase their team via the first dead guy.
This may well be part of Milk's big secret for Halloween, I'm guessing all the dead guys will join the various teams based on some criteria.

Why was a holy man trying to throw water at Gerrez?
Investigation type action I believe

Why was a bodyguard protecting Gerrez?
The big question. Either Gerrez is on Lucaaas' team, or Lucaaas wanted Gerrez to stay alive for some reason. Does not make sense though, would like to hear other guys' views on this.
EDIT: A town bodyguard is an option, did not think of that. Just assumed it was Lucaaas as he was the only one we knew of and he did not protect himself Night 2.

Is the holy man also the arrow shooter? In which case there are 3 other assassins active?
Addressed in my post above. I think there are 3 killers apart from the Holy Man. 2 for the cults and then 1 either for Baphomet or Town, not sure which one.

Why was Lucaaas taking another cold bubble bath?
No electricity, and he's kinky that way.

Why did Lucaaas call for a bodyguard if he was the bodyguard?
Game mechanics I think. Bodyguard can save himself we assume so Milk expressed it that way. If he said Lucaaas protected himself night 1 it would be really obvious what his role was.

 

Excellent post Tennis

I don't know why he protected me but I did make a guess earlier today...

...I know that is weak but its all I have

Confusion is key to these game IMO, although they saved me, they've left the surfer discussion live and given themselves more hiding space.

dude

 

Day 2 results:


“Night has fallen on the quaint sleepy hotel. All the little campers stretch their arms and yawn. It has been a busy day.
Sorry (I'm being economical and planning on reusing that on the Teletubby mafia game).

After AFCFTW's suicide the towngather around the next suspect on the list ACS and lynch him.

ACS is hoisted on the rope and is hanged until dead. The town turn to walk away and then turn in unison... walk back to the corpse and cut his head off...
... just in case.

ACS was on 'TEAM BAPHOMET' brought back from the dead to serve the team - but now, alas is dead. Poor bloke.

And then the merry individual skip along to their various rooms all smiles and joyfull...

Apart from two... two men appear to be rigging Judean People's Front to the TV antenna, is this an attempt to revive him?

- PART 2 of Night coming soon... this may take a while.”


…………………………

The two men trying to rig JPF to the TV antenna are interrupted by an assassin.

They go running off into the hotel. One assassin follows IN BISCAN WE TRUST and shoots him dead from behind. Meanwhile- TOBES, the other man trying to resurrect JPF is also hunted down. His assassin shoots him in the head as he runs into the hotel.

After inspecting Tobes it is revealed that he is a Mad Scientist working for the town.
IBWT is revealed to be his henchman, Igor.

The assassinations were not coordinated and were a coincidence.




Meanwhile GERREZ is being followed by a man in Holy Robes. The man attempts to throw holy water on Gerrez but is intercepted by a Body guard.


MORE COMING....

……………………….



Meanwhile... Lucaaas is enjoying a nice long cold bubble bath when an unknown assailant breaks into his bedroom and points a gun at him.


"Oh Bodyguard" Lucaaas calls- but no body guard appears... The assassin kills Lucaaas dead.



Lucaaas was the Bodyguard for the Occult Brotherhood of the Blood.



.... and I think that's it. I've got some PMs to send out.


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Milk clarifications:



ACS was resurrected back on to the team he was originally on. Team Baphomet.


Less Hope Than Neville said: ↑

wasn't team bamophet the same team as JPF? And therefore bad?


Two different cults.

Milk summary:


Just as a recap of last night.

ACS was killed again. He was on Team Baphomet. (EVIL) He had been brought back to life by Baphomet on day one. (coincidence, rule said first person killed was resurrected to that team).
Igor and IBWT were both killed by assaillants. Again, this is a coincidence that they were both killed. They were trying to resurrect someone they were (GOOD).
Lucaaas was also killed (EVIL) he was a body guard of the cult.

A Holy man tried to throw holy water on Gerrez but was blocked by a bodyguard.






Lets start at the beginning of day 2 here.


1. What has milk written the part about AFC suicide then crossed it out? This seems a key question to me. Has milk just had a joke or is he telling us this suicide story is real? This has to be asked due to Milks postins being the KEY information we have to go on.


2. ACS and 'TEAM BAPHOMET': So milk again clarified something. He has said very clearly that ACS aros on the SAME team he was on originally.


3. JPF corpse and IBWT and Tobes: “two men appear to be rigging Judean People's Front to the TV antenna, is this an attempt to revive him?”


This is big info right here guys. Two good guys as clarified by Milk were trying to revive JPF. Why? This is information seemingly lost to the town but the MEDIUM knows what they were doing. Why was JPF picked? Was it because he was a high priest or because he was the only body available to them?


4. Assassins. Both Tobes and IBWT were targeted. By who? Milk says it was pure coincidence and this means 2 assassins independently targeted these guys. This means that we need to examine who cross paths with the two guys.


5. More assassins. “The assassin kills Lucaaas dead.” That is a 3rd assassin right there folks. We need to look at that that is a big piece of info right there. This makes THREE killing roles so we cannot assume what is being assumed.


6. The holy water; GERREZ is being followed by a man in Holy Robes. The man attempts to throw holy water on Gerrez but is intercepted by a Body guard.


Astro made an interesting point here. Gerrez is followed. Holy water is throw at him. Is this really the same as night one’s kill of ACs?

“Albert's Chip Shop is walking back to his room when he hears a noise behind him- he turns around to see a HOLY GOLDEN ARROW come shooting through the air impaling him through the skull. His head explodes... and he drops his ID Card on the ground.


Was this a blocked investigation?

Are a team of good out there and not sure about Gerrez but find their efforts blocked somehow?

Why was the holy arrow not used?

Is there a team of actors or one actor here?


Seeing the body guard prompted my vote last night. However looking now at the evidence it would seem to be a case of someone investigating not killing him so why was this blocked?


7. Lucaaas. “Lucaaas was the Bodyguard for the Occult Brotherhood of the Blood.”


You guys need to start looking at this. Is this 'TEAM BAPHOMET' or another team.

 

going to read tennis' work now.

 

This is all based on Lucaaas having been the one that protected me. Milk's report didn't say it was Lucaaas so maybe there is more than one? I don't know!

#dude

 

gerrez.. can you explain how the "town" as in a good guy was obviously going to kill you so a bodygaurd protected you a bit more.

again you've even pointed out exactly the confusion you want saving you while others pile votes on me as i try to get to the bottom of things.

why would a body guard form the good side protect you from the town. when a bad bodyguard protecting you makes more sense.

 

Refer to the PM I posted, the surfers are in the game for a reason. Neither AFC or I have figured out what that reason is. Maybe Lucaaas' team knows why?

#thinkingoutloud

#dude

 

Right. I've just been paid to read 20 ****ing pages of surfer infested ****e and I have serious brain pain. My vote for Lucaas for the lynch was born out - he was a baddun Gerrez wrongly asserted I voted for him early which was never the case. It was Lucaas all the way. In addition, Gerrez was protected from the Holy Man and his Holy Water by a bogyguard. As far as I can see it, the only bodyguards are on evil teams. Therefore, I vote Gerrez.

 

Unfortunately, I can't explain anything because I simply don't know.

Looking back at yesterday and day one, AFC and I have been the prime targets. On the first day I was a dead man walking, yesterdays was AFC's turn. I think anyone thinking we are both guilty would have looked at the lynch and seen that there was no point going for AFC so chose to use their night action on me. Same applies to someone thinking we are innocent (if there is a innocent bodyguard).

All I know is AFC and I are innocent, who the medium is and that the medium knows who we are (not because its obvious but because of actions within the thread over the entire game too)

dude

 

Translation; just logged on and I've been told to vote for Gerrez

#dude

 

Tennis:
i agree with your teams.

I think you are trying to balance the numbers of teams against the number of original players but the evil team with 2 memebrs would be at a distinct disadvantage at the start if they only had two.

What we do know is ACS was a shaman and there were THREE assassinations last night. This means there has to be one on each team at least.

If we have 3 teams then 9 bad guys v 10 good makes sense so the win conditions for the game cannot be simply for the bad guys to outnumber the town or for the town to kill all bad guys.


........................
Lets deal with the town win. What was JPF body doing going up on an aerial? That has to be some kind of win condition. Was this a way to bring him back on the good side or part of the winning against the rising evil?

CLEARLY we've more bad in this game that anyone thought day 1.

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now the surfers. If this is correct then it creates massive confusion and they have been building up a massive set of stuff.

Question: was AFC being confirms as able to suicide by milk in his post?

The numbers would say that the skulls are down to two me. but JPF was attacking AFC big time.

Luaaas in the bloods. That would leave 2. again gerrez and afc fit but what occured here. Did lucaaas attack or defend either one? was he in danger last night of being picked? but.... so many switched to ACS did lucaaas? other did and magic started it... so does that fit?

Then ACS is in the team bap... he dies. was he with the two.. it makes no sense either. ACS, gerrez, AFC doesn't fit either


Then theres the holy team.... is it a team or are the holy ones individuals?
Did a good investigator target gerrez wondering what was going on?
why did nobody get killed by a holy arrow?

It suggests geerez was not only of these two roles

Gerrez and AFC might be on the mad scientist team... but you saw both tobes and ibwt taken out.

both die one is igor the assistant... is it plausible to have them on a mad team??

So that leaves now another team of surfers who's role is to do what? hide the medium under a blanket of confusion??? they keep saying the medium knows who they are and why they are doing it.

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So it comes down to this. If there are 3 evil teams there cannot be that many in either team. We've seen high priest, body guard and assassins acting. that makes a lot of bad guys in the numbers left.

Like it or not the two are linked together at the hip now even though gerrez originally accused ACS of being evil... this gets to the issue for me. that initial either lie or admission they are just playing with each other troubles.

If both are good then they fit the number of good roles..... but have we been hookwinked?