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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by PINKIE, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    A debate came up the other day about using more video technology to review decisions in football and that was brought into sharp focus on Monday night against Liverpool, where Ramsey had a goal incorrectly ruled out for offside.

    Ramsey indeed has come out today and said that he would like to see more video technology used to ensure that correct decisions are made.

    I must admit that I had been opposed to introducing more technology other than the hawk eye goal line tech. My feelings were that it might slow the game down too much if teams are constantly challenging decisions. However I'm coming round to the idea of offside reviews where a goal is scored.

    Thoughts and opinions please and what sort of technology and reviews would you like to see ?
     
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    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the game should be stopped to check the video after every decision but for any goal surely the most important thing is giving or ruling it out correctly? The technology is there so we should be using it.
     
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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    The game is stopped for the offside anyway so I don't see how reviews would slow it down more than a few seconds more, less time than it takes for Mingolet to take a goal kick <whistle>

    Dude views it and speaks to the ref over the mic or presses a button that sets the GOAL alert off on the ref's watch that is already used with goal line tech.

    But this only really works for debatable offside goals, not offside calls in general
     
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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    Would Ramsey have made the same call for tech if he was marginally offside and got the goal though <laugh>
     
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  5. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Of course he would have <whistle>
     
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    Obviously if implemented it wouldn't be abused 24/7 for every decision. Just the contentious ones. Ir could give each team a set number of appeals per game to use. Either way referees and linos aren't infallible, so video technology would go a ways in aiding them so if they do mess up, it can be rectified on the pitch without having an impact on the scoreline.
     
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    Tiddler Hoshu-tekina

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    Give both teams 2 opportunities to call upon the TV umpire per game. Not much time lost judging by the cricket replays and can only be a positive if it helps get a fairer result.
     
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    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for video technology to make things more fair. Embrace the future!
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The main problem is that these decisions often aren't completely black and white.
    Commentators couldn't agree about Rooney being offside against Newcastle, despite it being pretty clear.

    Goalline technology works well because it's a simple yes or no.
    Has the whole of the ball crossed the whole of the line?
    A computer can answer that.

    Is Player X in an offside position as Player Y strikes the ball and is X interfering with play?
    Far more vague.
     
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  10. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Yup, I know in rugby that fairly simply decisions (such as for a try) are anything but, it depends on how a question is phrased - can a try be awarded, can you see the player scoring the try, does the player have full control on the ball while scoring? ect, even scoring by the try line, isn't a simple question of is his foot in touch, or if not then he scores - it's has he got full control on the ball, does anyone imped the defence, does he put the ball down before going into touch? ect.

    As such it often takes a fair few showings for the 4th(or 5th or 6th) official to be certain of the decision, which is fine in rugby as there are natural breaks for lineouts, conversions ect and also if a video call is needed in open play then a scrum is called.

    In football, a throw in could technically be taken immediately as could a free kick or goal kick, allowing no time for a video call. But if we only allowed it for when a goal is scored (to see if it should stand), then that could well work, as it would allow the official enough time to determine if any player was interfering with play, if there was any fouls in the run up, or any offsides.

    Though I do think FIFA should just go back to a simplified offside rule, where if your standing beyond the last man then your offside - simple!
     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'd agree, unless the player's totally out of the way of play, like on the wing or by the corner flag when a shot's taken.
    The refs had a meeting about this **** the other day, which is a bit shambolic a few weeks into a season.
     
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    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    You've got to love how reactionary football is don't you? If there was a load of headlines about players shorts being an inch too short, suddenly there would be an FA working group looking into it, the next day there would be a raft of new laws, and the day after that Greg Dyke would be signing about how we'll never have any more problems caused by inappropriate shorts length!
     
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  13. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    What people tend to forget is that video technology is only used in cricket & rugby when a game is televised,in fact you have the ridiculous situation in cricket where video technology is used in test matches in England but not in India as the Indian cricket authorities don't use it.You have the same game played in different countries but under different rules.Rugby uses technology in internationals and what could be described as the "Premier Leagues" but not at other times.If video technology was introduced in football you could in the situation where video technology would be used in certain FA Cup games but not others likewise technology would be used in certain FL games but not others.I don't very often agree with Sepp Blatter but I did agree with him when he said that football is played with one set of rules whether it be the World Cup final or an amateur game.If you can't have technology in all games you shouldn't have it in any.
     
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  14. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    But good ok blatter forgot about the ridiculous 4th officials behind the goals which (I don't believe) were ever used below the championship
     
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    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    I think the officials on the goal line is a UEFA ruling not a FIFA one but I understand what you're getting at <ok>
     
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    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Ahh I see - I thought only blatter could be responsible for such poorly implemented stupidity!
     
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    Arsene Wenger: Arsenal boss predicts use of video technology

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger believes video technology will be used in games to assist the offside rule.

    Video technology trials in matches were put back at least 12 months by the game's lawmakers in February.

    But Wenger, whose side had a goal controversially ruled out for offside in Monday's 0-0 draw with Liverpool, said: "I'm convinced that video technology will come into football.

    "The next step will be to help the offside rule."

    At last one of the big players has decided to mention it. The quicker we get video tech, the better!
     
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  18. Star of David Bardsley

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    Could it work for offsides? Would the referee have to not blow his whistle despite seeing a flag, wait for the bloke to score, then go back and order a review? If a defender/goalkeeper sees a flag they understandably switch off a little.

    It does sometimes come across as a little bit sour from Wenger.
     
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  19. SpursDisciple

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    Wenger's quote is I think clumsy. If he is saying that Video technology can be used for goals that have been scored, then yes, I'd agree. If he is saying that offsides in the build up can use it, then no. Nothing to do with flag, but ref can wait a few seconds for a goal or not, even with a flag up. Play is on the ref's whistle, not the assistant's flag.
     
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