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  1. Home_and_Away

    Home_and_Away Well-Known Member

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    Report explains two factors preventing Sunderland from signing more players
    Sunderland are still looking to sign three more players before the close of the transfer window.

    As reported by the Sunderland Echo, the Black Cats are hoping to complete three more signings before the close of the window at the end of this month, but there are two factors preventing more transfers being finalised.

    It is stated that the club’s poor start to the season has made potential signings wary of moving to a team who are destined to struggle for survival, whilst owner Ellis Short has limited the funds available to head coach Dick Advocaat and director of football Lee Congerton.

    The report states that the Wearside outfit have already spent £21.5 million this summer window, and whilst recouping a large £9 million fee from selling Connor Wickham to Crystal Palace, Short is unwilling to sanction more big-money signings.

    The report claims that the Black Cats’ interest in Napoli winger Jonathan De Guzman is truthful, but he is still is mulling over a potential switch to the North East of England.

    Jurgen Locadia has also been linked to the club, but it is stated that there has been no official contact between Sunderland and PSV, and although the forward missed training earlier this week, he has outlined his ambition to stay with the Eredivisie champions.

    It is also reported that a new left-back is on Advocaat’s list of priorities to bring in before the end of the window, as he wants a player to compete with Patrick van Aanholt this term, especially with the Dutch full-back struggling so far this season.
     
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  2. SC SAFC

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    why not keep Reveiliere ? I thought he was really good last year and could have taught PVA a lot.
     
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  3. Brian Storm

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    Poor going forward, we rely on fullbacks for width going forward. Besides, he's a RB and we need a LB.
     
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  4. SC SAFC

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    Thats the whole problem tho isn't it? Pva bombing forward , then we get twatted when he is missing in defense. Rev's positional play was (from what i remember) pretty damn good, and did he not play LB a couple times?
     
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    Dicks interview last night said it all. "Not what I want" "but something" when asked about players coming in.

    I would say some of Micky Grays comments are correct 21.5m minus 9m is a spend of 12.5m thats pathetic in this day and age. Most top championship clubs spend more.

    I have been a supporter of Short in the past but if he does not want to make funds available its time to sell the club.
     
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  6. clockstander

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    Rev was good cover on both sides imo, the main problem is that PVA is not a full back, get one in and move PVA forward, Alonso would be my choice. We missed out on Brady from Hull who was right under our noses, another poor performance by our "scouting system".
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    We got Lens instead for a similar price.
     
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  8. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    we have got too many average/poor players who dont give a **** on biggish sized wages. They will not get paid more anywhere else so we cannot sell them, so its a case of waiting for contracts to run out before we can get them off the wage bill and build a decent side. However this would be a gradual transition so I can only see the same thing happening for the forseeable future, especially if we continue replacing players with other players of similar ilk. The only way out of this vicious circle would be if we had a season of over achievement, which would open the door where we woud be able to attract next level players at a reasonable wage, or relegation. I'm pretty sure I know which is more likely.
     
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  9. Nads

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    We don't let the contracts run out though, we ****ing renew them.

    Brown, O'Shea, Larsson, all from the Bruce & Keane areas when the damage was supposedly done, all renewed.
     
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    Beat me to it.
     
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  11. Brian Storm

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    He may have played their but still, if you need a LB, sign a LB, don't sing a RB and make him be LB, we did square pegs round hole for the best part of a decade, it's never worked and did peoples head in. I'd rather take Alonso all day long. Natural LB and realistic long term competition for PVA

    Some one said the other day sing Pato and play him AM. I just don't get it. Why people want us to sign player only to play them out of position.
     
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  12. E.T. Fairfax

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    i thought about this as i originally typed. Brown has probably renewed, i'd like to think, with a wage reduction, so a useful squad player would have been the reasoning. Same with O'Shea. Larsson renewing was applauded at the time. All, on their day, can do a job for us. All three should have been out of the 1st team picture by now though, but the replacement players of similar ilk end up performing worse than they do. I'm sure we renew these types of contracts as part of a slow transition of phasing them out of 1st team football in the future. However we end up having to rely on them again and again, and thats why we are at a standstill.
     
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  13. Nads

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    Yeah, I agreed with renewing Larsson, but the facts are if we are blaming historical contracts for the current situation, either those that have been renewed are on reduced terms, or lessons haven't been learned and someone needs fired.

    Simple facts of the matter are, we are blaming historical mistakes, now, bar Graham, who else is left from the Keane/Bruce/MON eras who'd be on a big contract? Johnson, yeah but despite the issues with him, his contract is appropriate to his standing at the time of signing, what none of this explains is the size of the wage bill, and the fact that a lot of the players have been signed within the last couple years, the same mistakes, clearly, are still being made.

    There's still the question as well as to how the profits from Hendo, Gyan, Bent etc have not closed the leaking in the clubs finances, how are we, and not the likes of Stoke, Swansea etc running at a massive loss?

    Are we overstaffed off the park? Still paying for the stadium and AOL? There's a huge black hole in the clubs finances and just saying 'wages are too high' doesn't seem to cut it.

    Who signs off the contracts, who keeps the wage bill sky high? That's the question. And that person needs replaced, immediately.
     
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  14. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Maybe it's not the players wages mate, you might have really thorough cleaners <ok>
     
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    I wouldn't have renewed any of them.
     
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  16. E.T. Fairfax

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    But if our purse strings are tight it was probably the easiest and cheapest thing to do. And thats what worries me!
     
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    Maybe the person who renews the contracts renewed there own at about £30 million a year.
     
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  18. Brian Storm

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    I'd say it's more down to the vast number of Gaffers coming through and them not knowing the players background prior to them joining the club.
     
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    What about the extra money gained from Gyan going to China....Shorts back pocket?
     
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  20. SC SAFC

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    MAte are your for real?

    Sunderland having too actual left backs? We went without for what seemed like 20 years without and now u want 2? greedy bastard hahaha

    My reasoning was if we are that skint , he could have done a job and left money on the table for strengthening elsewhere. At the time he was let go I was also well chuffed with PVA and barring an injury thought we would have been strong enough down the left. I can't understand wtf has happened to him, are we asking to much of him going forward , defoe/connor were excellent at tracking back tail end of last year and helping him out, now not so much help. Defenders need to defend 1st and foremost imo.

    Alonso at the prices being thrown around is an absolute steal!!
     
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