1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Jeremy Corbyn

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by BBFs Unpopular View, Aug 17, 2015.

  1. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    34,977
    Likes Received:
    9,296
    "Inclusiveness"

    During Mandela's imprisonment for membership of the ANC(seen as a terrorist organisation by the UK government)and being part of a bomb plot a well known African singer called Labi Siffre wrote a classic song in honour of Mandela "Something Inside So Strong", the Republican movement in the north of Ireland supported the calls for Mandela's release before it became a must do thing for British/Irish popstars and released a Republican version of the song in solidarity with Mandela and the ANC.

    Years later and after Mr Mandela's release Siffre was performing a concert in Belfast and there were well known republicans in the audience waiting to hear the song that inspired them, Siffre made a statement to the audience before the concert that he wouldn't be performing the song that night due it being " hijacked by terrorist's "

    Cheeky hypocritical ****.<laugh>
     
    #81
    BBFs Unpopular View likes this.
  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    122,674
    Likes Received:
    29,583
    cheeky yes.

    funny as phook.
     
    #82
  3. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,149
    Likes Received:
    12,080
    I hope he wins, that will keep Labour out of Government for many years to come <ok>
     
    #83
  4. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    34,977
    Likes Received:
    9,296
    You're just a typical modern day manc Mr Custard.....a Tory.<whistle>
     
    #84
  5. Paulpowersleftfoot

    Paulpowersleftfoot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    4,461
    Likes Received:
    2,777
    I agree with a Utd fan
    What is the world coming to?
     
    #85
    HRH Custard VC likes this.
  6. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,467
    Likes Received:
    14,453
    pf
    Do you, or any of the Irish posters, think non-segregated state schools and the abolition of faith schools, would be helpful?
     
    #86
  7. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,467
    Likes Received:
    14,453
    Politicians and parties shouldn't be propped up by either unions or big business. Or Murdoch.
     
    #87
  8. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,467
    Likes Received:
    14,453
     
    #88
  9. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,467
    Likes Received:
    14,453
    Evidently the peasants in this country would prefer a posh game-show host who cries on cue talking about his late son if any questions about the NHS are raised (whilst simultaneously getting Hunt and others th give crucial private contract to businesses that support the Tories and will offer them directorships when their time in government is over) as their PM than anyone with convictions and beliefs.
     
    #89
  10. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,149
    Likes Received:
    12,080
    UKIP not a Tory <ok>
     
    #90

  11. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    22,301
    Likes Received:
    1,658
    <laugh> <laugh>
     
    #91
  12. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    22,301
    Likes Received:
    1,658

    Not sure which is worse <whistle>
     
    #92
  13. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    22,301
    Likes Received:
    1,658

    I think the way it has been working these days is those with money who are doing OK are afraid of losing their money. Economic fear is by far the best tool these politicians have. Nothing works like scaring people by telling them voting for such and such will make things financially worse.

    Thanks to the last decade plus of Tory and Labour, most schooling leavers with degrees are working unskilled jobs. UK debt has more than doubled. Services have been slashed and valuable assets sold off which all make things worse.

    There is no representation of the people in government, there is a complete disconnect, add to that the gov can literally get hte bank of England to make money from thin air, they don't need to ask you for ****.

    Corbyn as far as I see is looking to get people to take part in power, that is the only real freedom there is, to participate in power ir get involved in the running of the country. Corbyn getting working class folks into parliament will offer something other than the neoliberal ideology\conservative ideologies.

    It's not so much about left or right, working class people are the largest demographic in the the UK yet they are grossly under represented in government.

    Labour of the past 20 years have been Tory Lite. <laugh> One only need look at what has happened over the recent labour and tory watches to see there is little difference, Corbyn is a threat to the status quo. Literally. That's why he is being slated so much.
    He doesn't play the back scratching game and from what I can tell, he's pretty honest and doesn't live an oppulent lifestyle. I am familiar with his brother Piers, a bluntly honest individual

    It is a fact of politics that if you are not dirty, no one trusts you and you are excluded. Corbyn probably suffers from not being a dirty swindler like the rest of them.

    This is not to say that Corbyn is this or that, but you look at any ruling class establishment and how they would perceive the unwashed masses meddling in their affairs. it just would not do.

    The people the Tories serve wella nd truly think they are better than everyone else. The higher up the chain you go the more they despise the working man. It is not untrue to say that many of these ultra rich ****s see the working man as nothing but a number, like cattle. This is true of labour (tory lite). Howdo tou think Tony Blair views the working man he is supposed to represent? Consider that he has been advising a despot on how to handle PR fallout from a massacre of civilians where cops shot 15 protestors. Man of the people?
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/24/tony-blair-advice-kazakh-president-protesters

    Changes are needed big time.
     
    #93
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2015
  14. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    Whether change is needed or not, Corbyn won't be the man to bring it about, he won't win a national election for Labour because he will be too easy to attack given his stance on certain subjects. I can't imagine labour winning back UKIP votes with open immigration his ideal solution, or winning the middle ground when he would take risks with our futures with his ridiculous economic policy. There are just too many angles to attack him from and whilst it may rally the left, it'll push away the centre.

    And if he really gave a **** about people being represented he'd be pushing for Proportional Representation instead of throwing a few working class labour MPs through the same ****ty system.
     
    #94
  15. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    22,301
    Likes Received:
    1,658

    Maybe you are right.

    Though Corbyn is only one man. What he wants to do is get hte average joe involved in participation in power. That's definitely the right direction.

    It's a sad state of affairs these days that the media literally dictate who gets elected as most people base their decisions on what they read unfortunately. This is because people are just not arsed.

    That's the real problem, the attitude of "can't someone else do it", if you don't participate in power you have no real freedom. Voting every 4 years or 5, doesn't actually count as participation though that myth is always bandied about that voting matters in the current system given the current state of the media and it's affiliations, voting changes nothing if all the people who get voted in have the same neoliberal ideology. The media will make certain that Corbyn won't get into power of any kind. It's not about substance it's about false images and that is just tragic
    please log in to view this image



    As for association to "certain people or organisations"..
    please log in to view this image


    please log in to view this image


    yes, Tony Blair kissing Gaddafi, hardly cost Blair anything did it, he's making 10s of millions out of his PM career, had the media really turned on him then this would have been a Corbyn situation we see today but you know, Blair got a free pass.

    Blair was not Labour in any way shape or form, he was as much Tory as any Tory, in labour clothing
     
    #95
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2015
  16. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,149
    Likes Received:
    12,080
    The UK is not a big socialist country and a left wing Labour party will not get anywhere.

    So please vote for commie Corbyn <ok>
     
    #96
  17. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    108,049
    Likes Received:
    67,494
    I didn't know that the fella from Gavin & Stacey and Fat Friends had such influence in the UK.
     
    #97
  18. FedLadSonOfAnfield

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2013
    Messages:
    20,481
    Likes Received:
    4,935
    Please stop confusing COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM. They are two entirely different political ideologies and using the label 'commie' to disparage Corbyn is a cheap method of scare mongering by trying to link his politics to that big scary beast that is Russia and a few genocidal former eastern european politicians and leaders
     
    #98
  19. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,149
    Likes Received:
    12,080
    Corbyn is so far to the left, he holds hands with the commies, also he sits with terrorists the bloke is a liability
     
    #99
  20. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2013
    Messages:
    22,301
    Likes Received:
    1,658

    Here's the thing, communism "UN" cough cough is a top down control system of centralisation and control by a bureaucracy, who has ultimate power and therefor are ultimately corrupted by said power.

    Socialism is a ground up ideal, which is why Corbyn wants to get the common man into parliament. Grass roots participation in power, social reform comes from this, and we need social reform. The right like high walls and lot of riches, socialism for them and their kind, but capatalism for us, that's how it currently is.

    Socialism only works if it is a grass roots thing. A society needs to be socialist for it to work.
    Of course those that are leaning to the right will claim it is about wealth distribution, "so all you with a few quid in your pocket should fear it".

    That's nonsense. Unfortunately it is ignorance, stoked up by the media of course.

    Whether Corbyn is the right man or not is besides the point, socialism is sustainable but the clincher is, everyone has to do their bit and in modern western societies, the populations want someone else to do it for them, and bitch when they are not happy about it.
     
    #100
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2015

Share This Page