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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by SC SAFC, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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  2. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    **** me, you're about the same as me - always thought you were older. Don't mean that as a piss-take. No reason for it, just pictured you as older. Must be all that wisdom you spout <laugh>

    Didn't watch any games today. Watched the Grand Prix instead.
     
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  3. Billy Death

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    Wise & daft mate but not a lick of common sense. <laugh>
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    ****ing Egg.

    With regards to Newcastle's signings, the best one of the lot, Steve Mac, the bloke was all over the touch line on Saturday, looked like he'd had a few slugs before he come down to Old Trafford. He's making that lot play proper football, despite Tim Krul's best efforts to stick with hoof ball.

    All of their new signings looked good. Thauvin will do well here as well I reckon, he hated being at Stade Velodrome. That was a good deal involving Cabella, who played great least night in his first game back in Ligue 1 by the way. Mitrovic, ****ing tank, so strong, he'll give defenders a right going over this season I reckon. Mbemba played well, after his first 20 minutes of getting kegged every 5 seconds by Memphis, he got a grip and looked decent. Pick of the bunch, Wijnaldum, I thought he'd get bounced everywhere off Basti and Morgs but he didn't he held his own and then some, best midfielder Newcastle have had in 10 years, at least.

    The big question is whether you can perform like that on a blustery night in Stoke.
     
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  5. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    I agree from that performance - but have to say I said similar about Sissokho last season and he tailed off - I can hope eh?!
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Nah, Sissoko was never that good. He plays in fits and spurts, but this lad doesn't, he's the real deal. Luckily for you you'll probably only have to suffer them bragging for one season before he moves!
     
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    This really pisses me off and I'm not sure why. If I was ref I'd book the likes of Hernandez (Chicharito), Aguero (Kun Aguero), Gutierrez (Jonas) et al who turned up on the pitch without the correct surname on their shirt.
     
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    Their defance is way way under strength and they lack natural width. They're still too weak to perform with consistency. When the inevitable
    happens and they hit a run off bad form the fans aren't the the most patient, that's when the pressure will fall on the young signings heads. Then we'll see how the young uns manage. I've no doubt they're talented players, but they joined the wrong team imo with a very poor squad at young age with hefty price tags above all their heads. They should have joined a club that can develop them and bleed them in at their pace and not to the club's immediate needs. 34m on three kids from a poor league carries undeniable risk. It's a gamble for them. Will be an interesting team to keep an eye on.
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

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    You don't like saying nice things about your neighbours do you Bri? <laugh>

    You could be right, Cabella was awful at Newcastle, straight back in the side for Marseille last night and he has a top game. I'm going off what I watched on Saturday of their new lads, Mbemba and Mitrovic, who I'd never seen or I don't recall seeing prior to that game. Wijnaldum and Thauvin I've seen a lot of, both very good players, the latter should do well under his new coach.

    I think they'll do ok this year actually, providing as you suggest, the **** stays firmly away from the fan.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    It's not that mate, but by reading your comment it looked like they were going to challenge for Europe or something, not one negative assessment, you'd think everything was rosey, I know you like Stevie Mc and have faith in him but I felt your post lacked balance so I merely balanced the scales by offsetting it with the risk. ;)
     
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  11. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Well, you're only as good as your last game mate and they kept a clean sheet at Old Trafford. I was the first to say it was mainly down to us being so slow in attack, we should have put them to bed early doors but we didn't and they grew in confidence from weathering that storm, after that, we couldn't get our rhythm back.

    I disagree that they've signed for the wrong team, for me, there's no better way to find out if a player is gonna flourish or drown than throwing them straight in. Alan Hansen will tell you otherwise but, he dines out on humble pie, every night of his life.
     
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  12. Brian Storm

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    That is a personal philosophy though, not an assessment on NUFC.

    It should be each on their own merit ideally but given the outlay, the fact they make up 3/4 of their summer business, the fact their squad was so poor last season only means it's not like them signing for Swansea or stoke.

    If mitrovic doesn't work out they've got one capable striker left, If Cisse gets injured it's all on the youngun(who's had twice as many yellows than shots on target so far, great start and that's not even throwing him straight in) you've got the one young defender plonked in one of the worst in the league. And if the new winger is competing with poor wingers and out of position central players. Only Wij is the sure thing for me and he's strengthened their strongest area. all very risky imo. Like us they need a couple in the right area and they'll be ok. Both teams have mountains of work again next summer as both squads are so poor. No depth at all in either. If we were doing Mags business I'd be even more worried bulking a **** squad out with expensive kids.
     
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  13. Tel (they/them)

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    I'd use the same assessment mate, they have Steve McClaren for guidance. They have to start somewhere, Arsenal and Chelsea can't sign every promising youngster and give them 3 minutes of league cup football to see if they're worth retaining. See what they're made of, stick them in a club that needs drastic improvement and if they float then Ashley is laughing all the way to the bank.

    Newcastle were never going to enter the transfer market for a bunch of tried and tested PL players, it's not how they work. I think the difference here is that you hope they'll be **** and to me it makes no odds, maybe a little the other way as you say, I like Steve Mac. Nowt wrong with that, I'm sure they all hope Lens turns out ****.
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    I've expanded on that post. Took me 12 minutes apparently <laugh>
     
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    <laugh> I thought the first response was a bit half arsed from you!

    You have to pay that sort of money I guess. I'd rather United were doing that than paying £59m for Di Maria and selling him for £44m a year later.

    Real Paid similar for Odegaard by the way, who is being put through his paces by Zidane in the youth side, the problem is he barely turns up for training, that's the flip side of putting so much talent on a softly softly approach.

    I think the important difference to note is, Ashley has them in a position where they can afford a gamble, financially (plus he loves a gamble so it's no real surprise) whereas Short has to get each signing bang on, hence the Fer/Lombearts transfers falling apart.
     
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  16. Brian Storm

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    Why are they in a better position to gamble. **** squad nearly relegated. Their signings need to count just as much as ours.
     
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  17. Tel (they/them)

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    They're in a better position to gamble financially.

    They turned a huge profit for a club their size last time out, so they have money to spend, so it would seem.

    They were poor, very poor, but they also had a human kebab for a manager for half of the season more or less. I've just had a quick recap... Hull finished on 35 points, a tally Newcastle had at the end of February. McClaren would have had them safer a lot sooner.
     
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  18. Brian Storm

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    It's all about the gamble over league status rather than financially for me like, look at swansea's spending, their squad is better and they've made profit from player sales so it's not about how much money is thrown, it's about making the signings count, like you applied to us, the same applies to them. Their signings have to perform just like ours because the squad is weak and can't be relied on.. Relegation would be a disaster for any club. No club can afford to go down unless they're sugar daddied imo. It's not about the spends, it's about the performance of the signings.

    Edit: Did that picture of jack blacks face scare you off the other thread? <laugh>
     
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  19. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Haha I hate his face, I think I'd involuntarily punch him in the face if I ever got stuck in a lift with him. I just want to punch it. <laugh>

    I think the players they've signed are a calculated risk mate, rather than the punt you're inferring they are. Their club's issue is that they always sell their better player, there's no long term plan in place, even if they all do well this season, they could end up all flogged and back in the same boat next summer.
     
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  20. Brian Storm

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    <laugh> you divy, I've never mentioned the word punt once and repetitively refereed to it as a risk, I've even said I'm sure they're all tallented <laugh>


    Oh it would be a great face to punch. Got to be up there Rory Mcilroy on punchability. I'd love to take a 2 iron to his jaw. <laugh>
     
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