What everyone probably agrees on is that the leadership election has been a disaster in organisational terms.A bloke on the news last night said his Tory mates had signed up in droves to vote for JC. There has also been large amounts of Green members joining for the same reason.What needs to be asked is how competent to judge the electoral implications are the people whose party polls in single percentage figures. If Corbyn sticks with his unlimited immigration policy they will lose half their 2015 GE vote.I certainly couldn't vote for a party with that policy.
The Labour Party are in a complete shambles and cannot help themselves. Again it is history repeating itself because going back to the Thatcher v Heath contest, Heath was not supposed to lose but givena scare by the party right. The rest as they say is history. Corbyn wasn't supposed to win and should not have been even on the candidate list but the cock-up happened and the fox was off and running ......to victory by the looks of it. Labour may not challenge now before 2030.
And that leads to other problems because having been voted in by the members, they will then react badly to being effectively over-ruled by the Parliamentary Party and Labour could end up splitting but from the other side (if you follow me) Either way, there is no easy way out of this and they all seem intent on continually digging.
Like the Tory party is split on Europe Labour is essentially two parties split by their view of capitalism. The left think it's the whole loaf or no bread the rest of the party think it's enough to keep the Tories out and risk being seen as pink versions but then to keep chipping away by bringing in legislation like the minimum wage and gender equality laws both of which would have put The Tories into apoplexy twenty years ago..
This is absolutely brilliant https://markfiddaman.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/6-links-jeremy-corbyn-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/
Interesting! All this time I thought my bulging waistline was attributable to; Beer, Curries, Fish n chips, but all this time it was due to them mushy peas! Vote Tory to halt childhood obesity! Bah!
The thing is, we know there a lot of people who have taking the p*ss out of the system and have claimed benefits while doing all manner of things. The art is setting the 'test' such that th real deserving cases carry on while the are*holes get what they truly deserve. That art, is beyond the wit of the politicians and their respective civil servants.
Anyone see the Anne Robinson programme on spending on BBC1? That explained a lot really. Why people want to be able to spend £190 on sunglasses or send their kids to private school to get touched up by perverts I don't know.. I think it makes them vote Tory though. Insecure c***s.
What, like the 10,600 'arseholes' Dave referred to? Classy mate, real classy, particularly after what Dave had just posted. What a lovely thing for you to say, nice. I guess you'll tell me I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the arseholes at the other extreme our society, the ones privelidged enough to be able to evade paying their full share of taxes, and/or receive abhorrent bonuses to top up their fat cat salaries so they can enjoy a wonderful lifestyle of gluttony and greed are a bigger drain on our economy than those struggling to put food on the table and clothes on their children, but of course that doesn't fit in with the mantra we're suppose to suck up and accept so we'll just ignore that and keep on kicking the little people at rock bottom like the Tories want us to do shall we? But then what do I know hey? I'm surely nothing more than the sanctimonious and ill-informed arsehole of the forum who gets his kicks from dishing out 'personal attacks' to anyone who dares question me aren't I?
UKIP will be having a massive party if Corbyn wins. I wonder how many existing Labour MP's will shift to UKIP or the Liberals !!
If Jeremy is elected then anyone who is a Labour member, MP or any other, if they leave to join another party, all they will be doing is emphasising that they do not believe in democracy!
You could argue the opposite. That for a Labour MP's who got elected on a set of party policies that they believed in, it would be undemocratic for them to continue representing that party if the policies were to radically change. Surely democracy is about voting, with your head, your heart and on occasions with your feat.
Munky, I don't thinkthat is what Thurnby meant. It is the people sponging off benefits who get others a bad name. I know because my own son has worked for about a month over the last ten years. The trouble is the Tories are just target driven and probably get the wrong people. And as a Labour supporter and councillor over the past 40 years I resent people telling me that I should work for a party that is going to sideline themselves into electoral obscurity.What I do with my time is up to me and I think that spending it trying to get support for an unelectable party elected would be crass. No I will retire from politics gracefully. Although I must say that if Corbyn keeps his stance on unrestricted immigration I won't even vote Labour.
As a fellow member, activist, door to door worker and financial donor I shall follow suit CT. I can't see why any of us would have a complete lurch to the right with UKIP but I can well imagine a new force emerging from the majority of the existing Labour Party and the remaining rump of the LD's. SDP - mark 2!!
The Overton Window and all that. Has the potential to shift all over the place in the next 4 years or so. Should be interesting!
Well those 10,600 were clearly regarded as "spongers" who shouldn't have been, so were hoyed back into work only to pop their clogs within six weeks. Nobody will convince me that those folk at the bottom of the system claiming the full £26k per household are anything like the big problem with our society.
